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Help from New Zealand please

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Persephone

Persephone Report 14 Jun 2013 02:34

Following on form the Riccarton Burgesses ; in 1969 Margaret Alice, Clifford Roland and Ellen Joyce all living at the same address in Lyttelton ... Margaret Alice is a widow..

At the same address is Michael John Burgess a student.. he would be at least 21 to be able to vote..

Margaret Alice died 1 March 1971 .. you can access her probate records through our archives, the fee is probably $20.

http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=21796878

I think Michael is in Riccarton in 1972 but after that I would be guessing there are quite a few people named Michael John Burgess.

I had a look through the phone listings and there are several M J Burgess, a couple of them are in the Christchurch area and I guess he would be about 65 - 66 now.


Cheers Persie

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 14 Jun 2013 02:27

Sidney Amos BURGESS died in NZ in 1962 aged 69.

Greymouth Probate Files
BURGESS Sidney Amos - Rewanui/Dunollie - Miner/Clerk - 1962

There is a record for him (with this spelling) at National Archives in Kew. States he was born in Chatham, Kent on 15 Nov 1892. So seems this not the right family for Clifford, but more likely the Riccarton one, as posted above.

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 14 Jun 2013 02:19

From Archway (NZ Online Archives)

Christchurch Probate Files
BURGESS Margaret Alice - Christchurch/Geraldine - Widow - 1971 [aged 89]

Probate file - Nelson High Court
Burgess, Jonathan Arnold - 1990 [born 15 November 1907]

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 13 Jun 2013 23:18

I'm inclined to agree with Astra that there are two separate families that coincidentally have the same parent's names of Thomas and Margaret Alice.

New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-1981

Name: Margaret Alice Burgess
Electoral Year: 1935
District: Riccarton
Region or Province: Canterbury

Living 32 Martin's Road with Thomas (a labourer)


Also in the same year:

New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-1981

Name: Margaret Alice Burgess
Electoral Year: 1935
District: Buller
Region or Province: West Coast

Living Millerton with Thomas - a miner.
Also on the same page are a Sydney Amos Burgess (miner) with a Mary Margaret at Dunollie.

EDIT:
Something to ponder - I can't find the Margaret Alice & Thomas in Buller after 1935 and I can't find the Margaret Alice & Thomas in Riccarton before 1935.

Gerry

Gerry Report 13 Jun 2013 22:01

Thank you all very much. Great info you have found for me which fills a big whole in my knowledge.

One person, I dont know who, complained that I hadn't thanked them. That would be because now is the first time I have been able to sit down and access my computer. It may not be obvious, but this is the only time of day I am able to do my research. So sorry to whoever you were, but a little bit of patience would have not required this explanation.

Anyway, thank you all

Persephone

Persephone Report 13 Jun 2013 10:25

Additional information: Mary Palmer South born New Zealand 17 July 1909

died 21 May 2003

Persephone

Persephone Report 13 Jun 2013 10:18

They married in 1946. Clifford Burgess died 3 Sept1990.

Jonathan Arnold Burgess born 15 Nov 1907 married Mary Palmer South 1933.

He died 15 July 1990 Nelson

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 13 Jun 2013 09:49

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2fqueryEntry.m%3ftype%3ddeaths#SearchResults

Above is the link to the NZ death of a Cifford Roland Burgess.
This man died in NZ 1990 and his dob is entered on the search:
His DOB reads: 13 Jun 1921.

EDIT:
No death found for Ellen Joyce Burgess up to Jun 2013
These are all the deaths for women named Ellen Burgess between 1940 and Jun 2013

ps://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2fqueryEntry.m%3ftype%3ddeaths#SearchResults

Fredk

Fredk Report 13 Jun 2013 07:35


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Household Information
Address 24 TIPPING ST WIGAN
Parish WIGAN
County Lancashire
Country ENGLAND
Ecclesiastical District
Enumeration District 21
Registration District WIGAN
Registration District Number 458
SubDistrict Number 3
Category Census, Land & Surveys
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Collections from Great Britain
Person 1
First Name ROGER
Last Name ELLISON
Birth Year 1859
Age 52
Where Born LANCASHIRE WIGAN
Relationship To Head of Household HEAD
Gender M
Condition MARRIED
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation COLLING CARPENTER COAL MINE
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN22993 RG78PN1345 RD458 SD3 ED21 SN236
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 22993
Person 2
First Name JANE
Last Name ELLISON
Birth Year 1859
Age 52
Where Born LANCASHIRE WIGAN
Relationship To Head of Household WIFE
Gender F
Condition MARRIED
Year Of Marriage 1881
Years Of Marriage 30
Occupation HOUSE DUTIES
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN22993 RG78PN1345 RD458 SD3 ED21 SN236
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 22993
Person 3
First Name EMILY
Last Name ELLISON
Birth Year 1894
Age 17
Where Born LANCASHIRE WIGAN
Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER
Gender F
Condition SINGLE
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation COTTON CLOTH WEAVER
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN22993 RG78PN1345 RD458 SD3 ED21 SN236
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 22993
Person 4
First Name EVELYN MAY
Last Name ELLISON
Birth Year 1901
Age 10
Where Born LANCASHIRE WIGAN
Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER
Gender F
Condition SINGLE
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation SCHOOL
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN22993 RG78PN1345 RD458 SD3 ED21 SN236
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 22993
Person 5
First Name THOMAS
Last Name BURGESS
Birth Year 1880
Age 31
Where Born LANCASHIRE WIGAN
Relationship To Head of Household BOARDER
Gender M
Condition MARRIED
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation TRAMMER UNDERGROUND COAL MINER
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN22993 RG78PN1345 RD458 SD3 ED21 SN236
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 22993
Person 6
First Name MARGARET ALICE
Last Name BURGESS
Birth Year 1882
Age 29
Where Born LANCASHIRE WIGAN
Relationship To Head of Household BOARDER
Gender F
Condition MARRIED
Year Of Marriage 1905
Years Of Marriage 6
Occupation COTTON CLOTH WEAVER
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN22993 RG78PN1345 RD458 SD3 ED21 SN236
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 22993
Person 7
First Name JONATHAN ARNOLD
Last Name BURGESS
Birth Year 1907
Age 4
Where Born LANCASHIRE WIGAN
Relationship To Head of Household SON
Gender M
Condition
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN22993 RG78PN1345 RD458 SD3 ED21 SN236
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 22993
Person 8
First Name EDNA MAY
Last Name BURGESS
Birth Year 1910
Age 1
Where Born LANCASHIRE WIGAN
Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER
Gender F
Condition
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN22993 RG78PN1345 RD458 SD3 ED21 SN236
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 22993

Fredk

Fredk Report 13 Jun 2013 07:24

Births Mar 1910 (>99%)
BURGESS Edna Oldham 8d 663 Scan available - click to view
BURGESS Edna Louisa Gateshead 10a 1033 Scan available - click to view
BURGESS Edna May Wigan 8c 61 Scan available - click to view

Fredk

Fredk Report 13 Jun 2013 07:16

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1904 (>99%)
Burgess Thomas Wigan 8c 156 Scan available - click to view
Ellison Margaret Alice Wigan 8c 156 Scan available - click to view
Green Robert Wigan 8c 156 Scan available - click to view
Walker Annie Wigan 8c 156 Scan available - click to view

Astra

Astra Report 13 Jun 2013 06:45

There is this in the passenger lists.

Travelling with Mrs. M. Burgess but no other family with them.

Name: Jonathan Burgess
Gender: Male
Age: 6
Birth Date: abt 1907
Departure Date: 11 Sep 1913
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Wellington, New Zealand
Ship Name: Corinthic
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Corinthic' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Shaw Savill & Albion Co, Ltd
Official Number: 115296
Master: F Hart


It looks as though little Edna died

Deaths Dec 1911 (>99%)
Burgess Edna M 1 Wigan 8c 59

According to the Electoral Rolls.

There is a Margaret Alice Burgess living in Martins Road Riccarton with a Thomas Burgess. That is the address Clifford gives on his Army papers. Your Margaret Alice is living in Buller with her family. They are not the same family they just have the same name and I am more than certain that Clifford belonged to the other couple.

Gerry

Gerry Report 13 Jun 2013 01:06

Hi. I am looking for any info on Clifford Roland Burgess. He was born sometime after 1911 in NZ (assuming that as there is no record of his birth in England.

His parents were Thomas Burgess (1880 wigan), a coal miner, and Margaret Alice Ellison (1882 Wigan). They had at least two other children born in England, Jonathen Arnold (1906) and Edna May (1910). At some stage the family emigrated to NZ where Clifford married Ellen Joyce Everitt.

I can find details of Clifford in the NZ Army during WWII and various Electrol Rolls from 1946, but nothing about his birth or marriage.

*** Update I think I have found Clifford's parents in 1928 with Jonathan Arnold and some other children. They were living in Westport Buller ****

Any help would be much appreciated

Gerry :-D