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Ooh look, I've just found this - I wonder - this is more like the right age.


England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
First Name GEORGE F
Last Name SMITH
Gender M
Year 1920
Birth Year 1871
Birth Month
Birth Day

Will keep looking, but I think this is it - Camberwell - close by to St. Olave Southwark.

Sappho.
District CAMBERWELL
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Event Quarter 4
District Number
Page 759
Line Number 109
Entry Number
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
DOR
Category Life events (BMDs)
Collections from Great Britain

Hello folks,

I am back again requiring some help - if you can, but perhaps you may not be able to.

With your help we found Amy's death and to do this we had to find she remarried a George Francis Smith.

I have sent for a couple of death certificates and I am about to send for George Francis Smith's Birth Cert having picked up this one going by his age on the marriage - Age given 45 years. the birth cert I found that would match is 1871 Ref: 1d 29, bearing in mind we are in Southwark. However, wanting to send for his death cert. but just cannot find one that seems to match birth, marriage and his age date.

Two show up but one is with the "F" (excuse the 'pun') and one is without:


England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
First Name GEORGE F
Last Name SMITH
Gender M
Year 1920
Birth Year 1850
Birth Month
Birth Day
District ST. OLAVE SOUTHWARK
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Event Quarter 2
District Number
Page 119
Line Number 90

and this one:


England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
First Name GEORGE
Last Name SMITH
Gender M
Year 1919
Birth Year 1851
Birth Month
Birth Day
District SOUTHWARK
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Event Quarter 2
District Number
Page 37
Line Number 30

However, if he did not lie about his age then his birth date should have been 1871 and I just cannot locate one that really, really fits. Have I got to send for the above two to see if either are right - costly if I am unsuccessful and then where do I go?

Any ideas?

By the way, I am in touch now with Thomas Turner's b 1885 grand-daughter all thanks to you helpers.

Many thanks,

Sappho

Thanks Sappho......Always glad to help......better not post livings on this thread. Good Night, sweet dreams :-)

Regards Vera

Hi, yes well I am waiting for the trees connection, but you have given me so much I am very pleased to follow through with a host of certificates. Costly, but will send for those maybe in the morning.

Can I catch up with you then? Just got some information and not sure as living persons I should post on here.

If the tree connection comes back to me I can then be sure if I am on the right lines.

Good night for now and look in in the morning.

Thanks as always for your help - so much better to have two heads on this.

Sappho

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Deaths Jun 1941 (>99%)
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Turner Maud 59 Southwark 1d 56


Cannot be certain if this is yours !!!!!



Regards Vera

They are also together.....Block E ...same address ... 1936

Regards Vera

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
about Johannah Turner







Name:

Johannah Turner with Alice Maud Turner and Thomas ( am presuming Johannas brother)

Address Block D, Queens Building, Collinson Street

Year:

1931



County or Borough:

Southwark



Ward or Division/Constituency:

Southwark

Regards Vera

Hiya Sappho,
Found him on FreeBMD......still not having any luck with Ena.....

Regards Vera

Thanks Vera,

Where did you find him

You are soo good with this family of mine. Did he marry I wonder. Just going to look.

Thanks - perfect!

Sappho

Births Dec 1911 (>99%)
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Turner Thomas F Kybert Southwark 1d 60


Here he is !!


Regards Vera

Hi again Vera,

Sooo pleased. I have now made inroads with this family coming forward and have traced to Tarry and hope I have the right family.

It was obvious something was not quite right with Rose as her age indicated thus. However, I have had luck with searching and if Maud is my Alice Maud Kybert, I am wondering how Thomas Turner 1911 came into the family (if indeed he is their son and a family member) or of course, he may not have been born at the time of the 1911 census as I think they are taken in March/April of the year.

so again with your help have found that
:

Johannah Turner b 1909 Southwark 1d 20 married Alfred Tarry in 1936 1d 65.
It look like Johannah died in 1974 15 1386.

J & A had Ann Tarry born 1939 1d 187 and Ann married D J Rossiter 5d 1547 in 1961.

David is on Trees and I have sent him a pm. So let's see what happens.

Thank you for the pointers, but I did not get any further than that. Will try the other daughter Ena E Turner to see what turns up.

Thanks for your help.

Life does get interesting.

Again thank you,

Sappho

Good morning Vera,

Many thanks. This is looking better and I was unable to even source Ena on genes so where did you find her and did you see any marriage for her. I need to send for a few more certs I can see. I am trying to come forward now to see if there are any living relatives coming down Thomas line.

Also how did you find Johanna - this is just great for me. Will have to send for a few and see if they are right, but thank you so much I just do not seem to be able to find these family members as you have done.

Thank you again.

Will keep this thread posted on my findings.

All helpers please know you are appreciated very much.

Kind regards,

Sappho.

Births Jun 1909 (>99%)
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Turner Johanna Southwark 1d 20


Have found this Ena although second name Elsie....

Births Sep 1906 (>99%)
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Turner Ena Elsie Southwark 1d 69




Regards Vera

1911
Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where born Image
TURNER, Thomas Head Married M 27 1884 Plateman On Hotel Southwark VIEW
TURNER, Maud Wife Married6 years F 29 1882 Southwark VIEW
HINSON, Rose Boarder Single F 21 1890 Factory Hand Southwark VIEW
TURNER, Ena Emily Daughter F 5 1906 Southwark VIEW
TURNER, Johannah Daughter F 2 1909 Southwark VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 1766
Reference: RG14PN1766 RG78PN62 RD23 SD2 ED4 SN297
Registration District: Southwark
Sub District: Kent Road
Enumeration District: 4
Parish: Southwark St George the Martyr
Address: 10 Falstaff Yard
County: London




Rose isn't a Turner !!!!


Regards Vera

Although the marriage is 1912......

Alice Maud Kybert



Estimated Birth Year:

abt 1881



Age:

31



Spouse Name:

Thomas Turner



Spouse Age:

28



Record Type:

Marriage



Event Date:

21 Apr 1912



Parish:

Southwark St Stephen



Borough:

Southwark



Spouse Father Name:

William Turner pipemaker (deceased)

brides father

George Henry Kybert baker ( deceased)


Register Type:

Parish Register



Regards Vera

Hi Susan,

thanks for your offer. I have been trying to trace information from the following you added and I now repeat to bring us up together:

I think this is Thomas 1885 with his own family in 1911.

1911 England Census
about Thomas Turner Name: Thomas Turner
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Southwark, London, England
Civil Parish: Southwark St George the Martyr
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 10 Falstaff Yard
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: PLATEMAN ON HOTEL
Registration District: Southwark
Registration District Number: 23
Sub-registration District: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Piece: 1766
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Turner 27
Maud Turner 29
Rose Turner 21
Ena Emily Turner 5
Johannah Turner 2


Thomas Turner born 1885 brother of my Johanna appears above with we suspect his wife Maud and daughters Ena Emily and Johannah, but I cannot find their births anywhere. It is likely that Thomas named one of his daughters after my grandmother Johannah, but I cannot find her. I have tried most of the afternoon and still no luck. Also where is Ena or EE Turner born 1896 give or take a year. Obviously Rosa is not their child, but I cannot trace her with any positive connection.

Any ideas.

I have Thomas death Certificate and his wife I understood to be Alice Maud Kybert. I am sure I had her marriage Certificate, but cannot now find it - I am miffed at this. However, I must have been convinced I had the right death certificate as A M Turner is the witness at his death and is on the certificate.

Any help - what am I doing wrong?

Sappho

Hi Sappho

If it is the same family it is always best to stick to thesame thread ,I will help if I can.

Sue :-D

Hello helpers,

I am coming back on this thread as I wish now to continue with some information added here connected to another member of the family.

Is this the right way to go as a lot of information on this thread has lead me to request further help for another family member researched at the time of this thread.

Please advise before I add request.

Many thanks.

Sappho

Hi Sappo

That sounds wonderful , don't foget to drop in .

I love my hobby so it gave me just as much pleasure to help you out.

Anytime.

Flip I have a Sister still in the UK who tells me she has had no Summer for two years :-(

Sue :-D

Yes, WA gets hot summers and cooler winters in places. Lovely Spring with all the flowers.

Flip, been watching the rivers carefully. We too have had non-stop rain for over a week with Christchurch flooding in places, but scales are everything and Europe takes my heart at present - lovely Prague and Southern Germany.

Back to family.

I'm having to get over the weekend family celebrations. Daughter from Sydney got in at 2.30 am after delays - still asleep, but then I shall send for some certs regarding all you and Susan have found. I need to wind that side up.

I must say without the helpers on Genes I would not have found the family. Mum hardly mentioned her grandmother Amy which is strange as she was alive in 1933 - mum would have been 20 years.

So a resounding thanks to you once again you lovely people. Nice for you to know that you put a smile on people's faces and you have never met them - or have you??? (one wonders at times)!!

Bye for now.

Sappho