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Reuben Saunders circa 1809 Chesham

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Grahamwfc

Grahamwfc Report 24 Jul 2013 17:10

Wendy, how do you do this?????

Absolutely amazing, I'm astounded that you can find this information. I'm also so very very grateful. :-D

Can't thank you enough xx

Graham

Grahamwfc

Grahamwfc Report 24 Jul 2013 17:02

AnnCardiff, I'm new to this? Are those names potential ancestors of my old rogue Reuben?

I've no idea what the second part is but I do really value your input. I'm recording everything in a document to take along to the Bucks FHS where hopefully they can help me.

Thank you so much and apologies for my lack of understanding, I'm sure ai will get there

Graham x

Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 24 Jul 2013 16:09

Re 1851 Hannah Riddle 1834 niece of Mary and James Plested

Mary Riddle married James Plested 1831 Chesham re Anchestry

in 1841 Mary Plested c 1804 nee Riddle, Mary Riddle c 1768 (who I think is the mother of Mary 1804) and James Plested 1838 Mary 1804's son are at Charteridge part of Chesham Bucks. All born OUT of county. We know from the 1851 that Mary 1804 was born in Flamstead Herts.

Mary Riddle was baptised at Flamstead 06/05/1804 parents Mary and William Riddle re IGI

Other children baptised Flamstead with same parents are.

James 1800 he married Ann Hewett 18/10/1840 Chesham and lived near the two Marys and little James in 1841

Jane 01/06/1806

William 04/03/1798 he was born Great Gaddesden Herts and was a straw plaiter. He married a Hannah born c 1800 St Margarets Bucks she was a straw worker and died in 1857. I thought maybe your Hannah 1834 was his daughter but cant find any proof of this. William and Hannah had Emma 1831 - Eliza 1836 - William 1838 - Silas 1840 and Isiah 1841. Your Hannah would have fitted in there and named after her mother although I think that it is more likely that her father died, whoever he was, and her mother married Reuben Saunders.

Hannah was a popular name with this family as Willian 1798 had a grand daughter Hannah 1864 and Isiah had a daughter Hannah 1877.

This is as far as I have got but I am working through the rest of the families spouses and children as I am now intriqued. I am 99% sure in my mind that Mary Riddle 1768 and William are your Hannahs grand parents, now all I have to do is proove it.

Wendy

:-(

****EDIT *** A Mary Sloper maried a William Riddle at Flamstead in 1796 re IGI

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 24 Jul 2013 15:26

The National Archives | Access to Archives
Her father Leonard Saunders, ... Marriage settlement of the Rev. Benjamin Plummer Pratton of Boxmoor, Herts, and Mary Anderson of Chesham, Bucks, 1843, ...
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/?records.aspx?cat=008-dx... - Cached
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The National Archives | Access to Archives
The following names of witnesses to the Charter appear in Feet of Fines for Bucks., 7 ... yeoman, Nicholas Bennett of Chesham, surgeon ... Frauncis Saunders of ...
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/?records.aspx?cat=008-d... - Cached

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 24 Jul 2013 15:26

Bucks marriages -

Danl. Roberts, labr., & Frances Saunders . . 20 July ,1702,

Christopher Saunders, w., victualler, & Anne Clark, w. . . . . . . . . 27 Jan. ,, 1712

Wm. Sanders & Mary Gravney 1677

Wm. Sanders & Isabel Hickman 1677

Jos. Saunders, of Amersham, & Eliz. Osborne,1798

Full text of "Buckinghamshire parish registers. Marriages"
Full text of "Buckinghamshire parish registers. Marriages"
www.archive.org/stream/?buckinghamshirep08phil/... - Cached
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Grahamwfc

Grahamwfc Report 24 Jul 2013 15:20

Tenerife Sun, I have just see your subsequent message, thank you and yes still looking for mum

Am I being a clutz here, who is mum from the information provided on your 1841 search.?

:-)

Grahamwfc

Grahamwfc Report 24 Jul 2013 15:10

Thank you Tenerife Sun

Is the possible deduction, Mary' s brother is James Riddle and Hannah is the child of his wife Ann albeit by Reuben Saunders? I guess more likely another sibling of Mary?

I have some scribbled notes that Hannah may have siblings. I have C 1851 by them which indicates I used that census, Eliza 19, Jane 13, Sophia 7. I think on the 1861 there is an Ann Riddall aged 67. I may have taken these from the UKcensusonline website as don't have ability to drill into, so surmising

I really appreciate your help thank you

Graham :-)

Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 24 Jul 2013 14:52

Graham are you still looking for Hannaha mother?


1841 with possibly her mother

Name: Mary Plessed (corrected to Plested)
[Mary Plested]
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803
Gender: Female
Civil Parish: Chesham
Hundred: Burnham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration District: Amersham
Sub-registration District: Chesham
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 47
Book: 12
Folio: 6
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Riddles 73
Mary Plessed 38
Jas Plasled 3

Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 24 Jul 2013 14:14

This has to be a connection somewhere

Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837 about Jas Plested
Name: Jas Plested
Spouse: Mary Riddle
Marriage Date: 1831
Parish: Chesham

The following was found by MIke* earlier in the thread

1851

Mary Plested 48 - pauper
James Plested 12 - son
Hannah Ridle 16 - niece


3 doors away lives James and Ann Riddle and their daughter Eliza is a straw Plait maker


Grahamwfc

Grahamwfc Report 24 Jul 2013 08:59

Thank you Penny, very detailed and all helpful, the search for a on for Mum

Graham x

Penny

Penny Report 24 Jul 2013 08:16

to add a bit of meat to the bones, witnesses


Name:Edwin Dwight

Date of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep 1852

Registration District:Amersham

Inferred County:Buckinghamshire

Volume Number:3a

Page Number:444

Edwin Dwight
Mary Finall

At a guess I'd say Mary was Eli's sister.

( Dwight I can lay claim to!)

Co-incidentally Hannah is with them in 1861 census, lodger


Name:Hannah Riddel
Age:27

Estimated Birth Year:bt 1834

Relation Lodger

Gender:Female

Where born:
Chesham, Buckinghamshire, England



Civil Parish:Chesham

County/Island:Buckinghamshire

Country:England

Condition as to marriage: UNMARRIED!


Registration District:Amersham

Sub-registration District:
Chesham
ED, institution, or vessel:
11b


Household Schedule Number:49

Piece:846

Folio:8

Page Number10

Household Members

Edwin Dwight 29
Mary Dwight 29
Hannah Riddel 27
Elizabeth Riddel 3
George Riddel 4 Months






Grahamwfc

Grahamwfc Report 23 Jul 2013 19:45

Thank you Anncardiff, I think I managed just now back to establish the Dinton Reuben married in Dinton, so as unusual as the name is, not my old rogue,

Really impressed with the information you all produce. Had my first visit to a bucks record office today and quickly discovered I need a set plan and not to butterfly around. The big database that you can drill into is only available on a Tuesay but the local Family History Society help on a Tuesday and they found RS in the marriage records for me.

So much to learn and understand but a worthwhile exercise I'm finding.

Thank you all again xx :-)

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 23 Jul 2013 18:28

Name: Reuben Saunders
Age (Original): 71
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1810
Birthplace: Ford Dinton, Buckinghamshire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Widower
Occupation: Shepherd & Ag Labourer
Address: Ford Dinton
Event Place: Dinton, Buckinghamshire, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341357
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 1473 / 114
Page Number: 1
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Reuben Saunders M 71 Ford Dinton, Buckinghamshire, England
Daughter Sarah Saunders F 38 Moreton Dinton, Buckinghamshire, England
Son James Saunders M 42 Ford Dinton, Buckinghamshire, England

Grahamwfc

Grahamwfc Report 23 Jul 2013 18:27

Thank you so much everyone that is just fantastic, really appreciate all the kind help :-) :-) <3

Mike *

Mike * Report 23 Jul 2013 18:20

1841

Ann Riddle 27
Anna Riddle 6 - born:Buckinghamshire, <<<<<


Could this be Hannah ?

Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 23 Jul 2013 18:19

I think Hannah died in 1879,Amersham covers Chesham, even though Eli is recorded as married in the 1881 census


Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1879 (>99%)
Final Hannah 44 Amersham 3a 361

Mike *

Mike * Report 23 Jul 2013 18:16

For our ref

1861

Edwin Dwight 29
Mary Dwight 29
Hannah Riddel 27- unmar - Lodger
Elizabeth Riddel 3 - lodger
George Riddel 4 Months - lodger

Assume the children belong to Hannah

Mike *

Mike * Report 23 Jul 2013 18:09

The original 1851 census has no occupation for Hannah who is described as Niece.


Mary Plested 48 - pauper
James Plested 12 - son
Hannah Ridle 16 - niece


3 doors away lives James and Ann Riddle and their daughter Eliza is a straw Plait maker




Mike *

Mike * Report 23 Jul 2013 17:55

There is also this baptism ...


Name:
Reuben Sanders

Gender:Male
Birth Date:25 Feb 1810

Christening Date:12 Apr 1810
Christening Place:Dinton, Buckinghamshire, England

Age at Christening 0
Father's Name:Francis Sanders
Mother's Name:Mary

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 23 Jul 2013 17:23

Name: Hannah Final
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Female
Age: 35
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Birthplace: Chesham, Buckinghamshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Amersham
Sub-District: Chesham
Parish: Chesham
County: Buckinghamshire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Eli Final M 33 Chesham, Buckinghamshire
Wife Hannah Final F 35 Chesham, Buckinghamshire
Son George Final M 10 Chesham, Buckinghamshire
Daughter Jane Final F 8 Chesham, Buckinghamshire
Son Alfred Final M 5 Chesham, Buckinghamshire