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still awaiting my husbands e-mail... :-|

yeah fingers crossed.. your right about the certificates... think i was having a moment to myself when i thought it would give me birth dates... but good to see the other info... think i must be having one of those days... ;-)

Hi Emma, I doubt very much whether the marriage certificate will have his actual birth date on, they usually just give age at marriage.

Not sure if you know of this site but it's great for explaining what to expect on UK certificates:
http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/indexbd.htm

BUT, the important thing will be to see what information it says on each one for the father of the groom - that will be the clincher. It will also be interesting to see what it says for his marital status on the one to Gwen.

Fingers crossed they don't take too long to arrive, I got some from GRO within a week.

Hi just home from work... i have checked on the date that Colin died... and my husband is now not as sure as he was before... so could be 1984...so we have ordered his marriage certificate to Gwen which should have his birthday on and ordered the other marriage certificate to Hilary Cooke. I shall let you know when they arrive in the next few weeks. My husband is going to send me the file from his laptop of the marriage certificate we got yesterday online for arthur richardson to see if it can make out his mothers name.

Emma x

You could, if you wanted to speculate, order a copy of this marriage certificate:

Civil Registration event: Marriage

MarriageFinder: Colin A Richardson married Hilary C Cooke
Name: RICHARDSON, Colin A
Registration district: Kensington
County: London
Year of registration: 1939
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Taylor Or Cooke
Volume no: 1A
Page no: 661

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Name: COOKE, Hilary C
Registration district: Kensington
County: London
Year of registration: 1939
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Richardson
Volume no: 1A
Page no: 661

Name: TAYLOR, Hilary C
Registration district: Kensington
County: London
Year of registration: 1939
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name Richardson
Volume no: 1A
Page no: 661

The fact that there are two surnames for Hilary indicate that she had been previously married (or known by another surname).

Emma, I'd suggest confirming exactly when Colin died. If is WAS 1984 then the issue of a possible previous marriage needs to be tactfully addressed.

But if it was 1995 like your husband thought then we can ignore the records found.

Ps I am chuffed you both have been amazing. I really enjoy doing my family tree I thought I was good getting upto the 1000 mark... But recently got harder with lots of tough links to find. I am thinking of buying some additional access to resources now... One day hoping to be upto your levels xxx

No the only picture I have is one from My husbands grandmother gave us and another a article showing him packing parcels in the war. I haven't seem this other picture!

I am at work at the moment so will get a chance to look through the information above.

Ps I don't think she knew he had been married previously - I may speak to my husband about how to approach this one to ask the question, through his mum first.

Emma

Agreed MC :-)

Still lots to go on with here...I think Emma will be pretty chuffed!

I personally do think that the Colin found is the "right" one but the subject of a previous marriage could be a delicate issue ........

Emma, when we've got as far as we can I'll send you the original images of all the shipping lists and anything else useful.

By the by Arthur Lincoln RICHARDSON shows up in Australia electoral roll from 1963 to 1980 in the Australian Captial Territory (ACT). Wife Elizabeth Mary is there too 1963 to 1977. But can't find their deaths in ACT nor burials there :-(

It is POSSIBLE he is still alive...if you go to www.whitepages.com.au and do a residential search (green tab), there is an A L Richardson listed in ACT...never know! :-D

www.centennialpark.org/deceased-search/deceased-search.html

Name: Arthur Osmond
Surname: Richardson
Last Abode: Helmsdale
Date of Death: 12/09/1956 (Aged 81 Years)
Sex: Male
Cremation Date: 13/09/1956

Name: Alexandrina Isabella
Surname: Richardson
Last Abode: Plympton
Date of Death: 09/06/1974 (Aged 74 Years)
Sex: Female
Cremated Remains

This confirms he is the same Arthur O. Richardson of Helmsdale mentioned in newspaper reports (one has a photo of him - have you seen that, Emma?)

To answer the question about the death certificate - Arthur & Alexandrina both died in South Australia. Death certs after 1968 (i.e. Alexandina's) show these details:

Date of death
Place of death
Name of person
Gender
Age
Cause of death
Occupation
Usual residence
Birth place, time in Aust
Age at first marriage
Age at last marriage
Name of spouse
Conjugal status (i.e. single, married, widowed)
No. of m/f issue living/dead
Death within 3 m of birth
Informant sig, desc, res
Authorized person
Date & place of burial/crem
Undertaker
Registration District
Registration date

As Arthur's death was before 1968, it would not have his age at first marriage or name of spouse, unfortunately. (Though I am still not convinced he and Ms Bain were marrried!)

But as you can see, very comprehensive! Vic death certs have names of children (issue) and their age, not sure if SA is only number - possibly just 2M, 3F living, 1F dead (for example).

The downside is that SA certs are more expensive than Vic ones. However, you could order a transcription of Arthur O's death cert from Genealogy SA for A$22 AND/OR a scan of Alexandrina's death notice for A$14 at www.genealogysa.org.au/more-info.html

This is the death notice of the Francis THOMAS who married Elizabeth EDDY in 1880 (reg 2335), father of Margaret May b. 1880:

The Argus, Thursday 6 August 1914
THOMAS .-On the 5th August, at his residence, Victoria street, Daylesford, Francis, dearly beloved husband of Elizabeth Thomas, loving father of May, Ettie, and Fred. Thomas, aged 57 years, late police constable.
At rest.


The occupation fits! :-)

Her siblings:
Francis Albert 1882 Sandhurst, d. 1882 aged 4 months
Henrietta Louise 1883 Sandhurst {Ettie]
Frederick Victor 1886 Richmond [Fred], m. Isabel May DEW 1911, d. 1 Oct 1953 East Malvern


Francis THOMAS b. 1857 Creswick to Wm & Christiana nee KENT
Elizabeth EDDY b. 1861 Clunes to Jno & Mary Ann nee NANKERVIS

William and Christiana married in South Australia on 22nd September 1849. It is possible she arrived as a widow (as KENT) in April 1849 with children Mary Ann and Wm (from London aboard 'David Malcolm'). They had a daughter named Elizabeth in 1850 in SA before moving to Victoria.

The EDDY family hailed from Cornwall and also came to South Australia first:
EDDY John Clement, Mary Ann NANKERVIS, John, Mgt Jane (b@sea) arrived 1849-01-03 on William Money from Bristol via Plymouth 1848-09-19
Daughter's death:
EDDY Margaret Jane, died 1849-01-27 aged 3 m at Gilbert St, Ade; relative John (F); buried Adelaide West Terrace Cemetery
More info at www.familyorigins.net/pages1/m_a_nank.htm

Great progress, MC!

Well done Emma on getting the certificate...could Margaret's mum's maiden name be EDDY? This would match the birth except index shows her first name as Elizabeth or Eliza.

How exciting that your husband's grandmother is still around to share this with! :-)

Hope she knows about the first wife (agree with MC that this seems a strong possibility - the 1912 birthdate and birthplace is a good fit and so is his occupation from what you have said)...might be a bit of a shock if she doesn't know though! :-0

Ps the records above do you think it's possible that he had a previous wife to gwen? Whom married Colin in 1949 ???

My husband thinks he died 1995.

He was into planes/ piolet from what we were told by his grandmother. I will message the certificate across tommorrow evening as its on my husbands computer and ill get him to forward it onto me... As I'm now away on business all week... Which gives me a good chance to look at my tree on the evenings.

Thanks again Emma x :-D

This would be the death for the Colin A Wells from those border crossings:

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Colin Arthur Richardson
Name: Colin Arthur Richardson
Birth Date: 3 Feb 1912
Date of Registration: Apr 1984
Age at Death: 72
Registration District: Tunbridge Wells
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 16
Page: 1954

Do you have any idea what Colin Arthur's profession was?

I came across this and wondered about the birthplace and if there was a connection?

Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1954

Name: Colin A Richardson
Arrival Date: 22 Jan 1946
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Ship Name: Corrales
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Residence Country: England
Age: 33
Birth Date: abt 1913
Birth Country: Australia - Victoria <<<<<
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: English
Record Type: Manifests
Line Number: 2

He was an aero engineer and was headed to the Sperry Gyroscope company in New York.

Home address: 25 Hillbrow, Richmond Surrey.

Next of kin was wife Hillary C Richardson.
......................................................................................................................

This appears to be another work related trip, this gives actual date of birth

Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1954

Name: Colin A Richardson
Arrival Date: 22 Jan 1947
Port of Arrival: Buffalo, New York, United States
Departure Contact: Wife Hillery
Age: 34
Birth Date: 3 Feb 1912
Birth Place: Victoria
Birth Country: Australia
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: English
Record has photo?: No
Record Type: Cards

He was 5' 11" tall, had brown hair, grey eyes and medium complexion.

Emma, I'm not having much luck finding Arthur with his parents.

If you want to try sending me the image of the marriage certificate (click on my name to send a message and attach the file) I'll be happy to take a look and see if I can decipher his mother's maiden name.