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francis ivy yates/ali

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faye

faye Report 3 Aug 2013 18:50

born in Manchester. married to Nasser ali in Stepney east London. 3 siblings norman,victor and renee. any more info would be great thinking she was born 1897?? would like marriages before she was ali and after as my dad died before I started doing this in 1996. :-D

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 3 Aug 2013 18:56

Could this be her birth?

Name: Frances Ivy Yates
Birth Date: 18 Jan 1897
Age: 0
Baptism Date: 10 Feb 1897
Parish: Newton Heath, St Anne
Parish as it Appears: Saint Anne, Newton Heath
Father's Name: Elizabeth Yates
Mother's Name: Peter Yates occ Labourer
Address: 12 Robert Street
Reference Number: M148/1/23/1
Item Number: 3
Archive Roll: 826

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 3 Aug 2013 18:58

Marriages Dec 1922 (>99%)
ALI Nassir Samuels Chorlton 8c 1592
Samuels Frances I Ali Chorlton 8c 1592

faye

faye Report 3 Aug 2013 18:58

was she formally known as hughes from a previous marriage before she became an ali???

faye

faye Report 3 Aug 2013 18:58

was she formally known as hughes from a previous marriage before she became an ali???

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 3 Aug 2013 18:59

Are you familiar with Freebmd? It's easy to use and you can find the above info yourself:

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Jan

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 3 Aug 2013 19:00

Marriages Mar 1917
Samuels Joseph Yates Chorlton 8c 1138
Yates Frances I Samuels Chorlton 8c 1138

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 3 Aug 2013 19:05

Did she have children by a previous marriage?

Name: Lesli Samuels (should read Leslie)
Mother's Maiden Surname: Yates
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1917
Registration District: Chorlton
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8c
Page Number: 1071

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 3 Aug 2013 19:07

Just wondering ... !

Name: Joseph Samuels
Spouse Hilda M Ingle
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1918
Registration District: Chorlton
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8c
Page Number: 1497

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 3 Aug 2013 19:10


1901 England Census
Name: Frances J Yates (prob Frances I)
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Peter Yates
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Yates
Gender: Female
Where born: Newton Heath, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: North Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Newton Heath St Anne
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration District: Prestwich
Sub-registration District: Newton

Name Age
Peter Yates 34
Elizabeth Yates 32
Frances J Yates 4
William B Yates 10 Months

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 3 Aug 2013 19:21

Separate thread about Nasser Ali
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1329151?jump=1329151

Might be better to stick to this one as it will involve a lot of the same records

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 3 Aug 2013 19:28

Is this her death?

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007

Name: Frances Ivy Ali
Birth Date: 18 Jan 1897
Date of Registration: Mar 1978
Age at Death: 81
Registration District: Greenwich
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 12
Page: 1139

Birth date matches the baptism posted earlier.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 3 Aug 2013 19:33

I presume that it's a coincidence, even though the father on this is also Peter?

Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930

Name: Frances Ivy Yates
Birth Year: abt 1897
Age: 22
Marriage Date: 15 Mar 1919
Parish: Longsight, St Clement
Parish as it Appears: St Clement Longsight
Father's Name: Peter Ivy Yates - Warehouseman
Spouse's Name: Herbert Dyson (24) Warehouseman
Spouse's Father's Name: Charles Dyson - Labourer
Reference Number: M352/3/2/4
Item Number: 3
Archive Roll: 852

Neither married before and both give address as 128 Morton Street.

Witnesses: Charles Wilfred Smith and Emily Lindsay.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 3 Aug 2013 19:54

According to Faye's other thread Norman, Victor and Renee were Nasser and Frances' children, not their siblings.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 3 Aug 2013 19:56

Faye, in your opening post you say you'd like details of her marriages befoe Ali and after - there's nothing to suggest that she married again after him as her death registration is in the name of Ali.

faye

faye Report 6 Aug 2013 20:10

ok thanks :-D