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Ranald Neale and family

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Gillian

Gillian Report 19 Sep 2013 12:51

Can anyone help me please. I see on the 1951 Electoral Roll that Ranald Kingsley (b1898) Neale and his wife, Eileen Muriel Goldney Neale (nee Snell) are living at 33D Holland Park, London.
Also with them are: Eileen Patricia K Neale and John R K Neale are also living with them. I did not think that Ranald and Eileen had any children so this was a surprise but apart from the Electoral Roll I cant see any other information. They are there from 1951 to 1965.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Chippygill

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 19 Sep 2013 13:07

Apart from the ER, the only record which comes up is a marriage

Name: John R K Neale
Removed as could be living, but not to an Eileen
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1961
Registration District: Garstang
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 10c
Page Number: 509

As Ranald is listed as a Lt Col, could there be an overseas connection? Were the Neals an Army family?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 19 Sep 2013 13:08

try checking the births of Eileen & John to see the mmn

Its possible John is a relation t Ranald and Eileen is his wife. look on FreeBMD for them

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 19 Sep 2013 13:11

Possibly Eileen's death?

First Name EILEEN PATRICIA K
Last Name NEALE
Gender Female
Year 1994
Born 15 Dec 1922
District YEOVIL
County Somerset
Country England

Event Quarter 4
District Number 7262
Entry Number 071

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 19 Sep 2013 13:15

Appears to be coming to England for a temporary visit, headed to 10 St Andrew's Road, Bedford.


UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: Ranald Neale
Birth Date: abt 1898
Age: 36
Port of Departure: Bombay, India
Arrival Date: 31 Mar 1934
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Bombay
Ship Name: City of Simla
Shipping Line: City Line Ltd
Official Number: 146273

In Indian Army

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Name: Miss Patricia K Neale
Gender: Female
Age: 26
Birth Date: abt 1922
Departure Date: 17 Dec 1948
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Cape Town, South Africa
Ship Name: Dominion Monarch

Last Residence 33D Holland Park.
Permanent residence to be South Africa
Occupation, Dance Teacher
Travelling 1st Class

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 19 Sep 2013 13:20

?? birth
Name: Ranald Kingsley Neale
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1897
Registration District: Barton Regis
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 86

1901 England Census about Ranald Kingsley Neale
Name: Ranald Kingsley Neale
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Lilian Gostelow Neale
Gender: Male
Where born: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Twickenham
Ecclesiastical parish: East Twickenham St Stephen
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image
Registration District: Brentford
Sub-registration District: Twickenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 181
Piece: 1188
Folio: 72
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Lilian Gostelow Neale 32
Herbert Cecil Threburn Neale 6
Albert Lewie Neale 5
Ranald Kingsley Neale 3
Letitia Liliah Neale 7 Months
Mary Durnett 26
Jessie Louisa Russell 28

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1188; Folio: 72; Page: 26.





Name: Ranald Neale
Birth Date: abt 1898
Age: 50
Port of Departure: Bombay, India
Arrival Date: 24 Apr 1948
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Bombay
Ship Name: Strathmore
Search Ship Database: View the 'Strathmore' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Peninsula and Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 164521

part of Nawanager Party address in UK 33d Holland Park Road occ civil servant



London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 about Ranald K Neale
Name: Ranald K Neale
Year: 1948
County or Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Ward or Division/Constituency: Kensington
Street Address: 33d Holland Park Road

with Eileen M G Neale and Eileen Patricia Kingsley Neale

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 19 Sep 2013 13:22

you probably have all this but posting as it came up

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Ranald Kingsley Neale
Name: Ranald Kingsley Neale
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 18 Jan 1902
Father's Name: Albert Ezra Neale
Mother's Name: Lilian Gostelow Neale
Parish or Poor Law Union: East Twickenham St Stephen
Borough: Richmond upon Thames
Register Type: Parish Registers

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Possible Indian forces connection?

"Can anyone help with any information on Ranald Kingsley Neale who was in the 25th Punjabis in or around 1934."

http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=115074

No helpful replies as the site was intended for WW1 requests

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 19 Sep 2013 13:26

From your? post on Genealogy.com

His mother was Lilian Gostelow Neale and he had 2 brothers, Herbert Cecil and Ranald Kingsley and 1 sister Letitia Lilian. I am not sure but there may have been a John Albert too.

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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 19 Sep 2013 13:31

didnt have any children with him when he went with Eileen Muriel to India in 1930

Britain: outbound passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 - person transcript

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Name: Ranald NEALE
Date of departure: 31 October 1930
Port of departure: London
Destination port: Madras
Destination country: India
Date of Birth: 1897 (calculated from age)
Age: 33
Marital Status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Officer I A
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 3 of 6
The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Eileen Muriel NEALE
Ship: MASHOBRA
Official Number: 144222
Master's name: J H Galgey
Steamship Line: B.I.S.N.Co.Ld
Where bound: Calcutta, India
Square feet:
Registered tonnage: 5131.06
Passengers on voyage: 101
home address 34 Angelsey Road Alverstock occ Officer Indian Army

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You might need to track down SA and Indian Army birth records.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 19 Sep 2013 13:41

1911 England Census about Emmeline M Shurbrow
Name: Emmeline M Thubron
Age in 1911: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Sister
Gender: Female
Birth Place: E Boldon, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Bedford
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 30 St Michaels Road, Bedford
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Private Means
Registration District: Bedford
Registration District Number: 174
Sub-registration District: Bedford and Kempston
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household Schedule Number: 144
Piece: 8847
Household Members:
Name Age

Cecil Neale 16
Leslie Neale 15
Ranald Neale 13
Letitia L Neale 10
Emmeline M Thubron 42
Alice Keech 16 servant

Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 8847; Schedule Number: 144.


so living with a aunt posibly

the children are described as sons and daughter of the head of house who wasnt at home then

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 19 Sep 2013 13:47

Name: Lilian Gostelow Thubron
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1893
Registration District: Gateshead
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 1094
Records on Page:
Name
Elizabeth Jane Hope
Robert Horn
Albert Ezra Neale
Lilian Gostelow Thubron


Name: Mrs Lilian gostelow Neale
Birth Date: abt 1874
Age: 50
Port of Departure: Africa
Arrival Date: 3 Mar 1924
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Lagos
[Freetown]
[Accra]
[Plymouth]
Ship Name: Appam
Search Ship Database: View the 'Appam' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Elder Dempster Lines Ltd
Official Number: 135442

with Dr Albert Ezra Neale doctor of Medicine address in UK c/o Dr SNELL 29 Cecil Court .Redcliffe Gardens, London SW7

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 19 Sep 2013 13:49

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 about Lilian Gostelow Neale
Name: Lilian Gostelow Neale
Year: 1903
County or Borough: Hounslow
Ward or Division/Constituency: Brentford
Street Address: 77, Crown-road,Twickenham
on her own

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 19 Sep 2013 13:50

doesnt seem to be a John

baptisms

Record Letitia Lilian Neale 21 Sep 1900 Albert Esra Neale,
Gostelow Neale East Twickenham St Stephen Richmond upon Thames
View Record Albert Leslie Neale 18 Jan 1902 Albert Ezra Neale,
Lilian Gostelow Neale East Twickenham St Stephen Richmond upon Thames
View Record Herbert Cecil Thubron Neale 18 Jan 1902 Albert Ezra Neale,
Lilian Gostelow Neale East Twickenham St Stephen Richmond upon Thames
View Record Ranald Kingsley Neale 18 Jan 1902 Albert Ezra Neale,
Lilian Gostelow Neale East Twickenham St Stephen Richmond upon Thames

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 19 Sep 2013 14:02

1881 Scotland Census about Emmeline Thubron
Name: Emmeline Thubron
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: England
Registration number: 685/4
Registration District: St Giles
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 88
Household Schedule Number: 130
Line: 7
Roll: cssct1881_290
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Cranston 45
David Y Clark 23
Emmeline Thubron 17
Gertrude Thubron 16
Lilian Thubron 14
Elizabeth Scott 15
Mary Ann Geddes 17

Source Citation: Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts; ED: 88; Page: 18; Line: 7; Roll: cssct1881_290.

Gillian

Gillian Report 19 Sep 2013 14:18

Hi Everyone
Thanks for all the info.
Yes, Ranald Neale was in the 25th Punjabis Indian Army and I am in the process of trying to get his records.
It looks like that is the right Eileen PK on the passenger list for Cape Town.
Thanks
Gill

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 19 Sep 2013 16:04

If you are willing to purchase the 1961 MC, the named father might fit in somewhere. It might be Ranald, or a different member of the Neale familiy.

Alternatively, it could be a red herring!