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This is the only Robert Black registered anywhere in Scotland 1830-40, with father James and mother Helen:

15/08/1840 BLACK ROBERT JAMES BLACK/HELEN MITCHELL M LETHNOT AND NAVAR /ANGUS 300/00 0020 0011

As we don't know where James Black was born - not necessarily Scotland - and it's such a common name - and we can't find a marriage record - we haven't much hope of verifying his birth date.

There were 263 James Black births registered in Scotland 1780-1800, with 31 in Fife alone

James black.s birth year 1792 was passed on to me by someone reserching the Hutchison family. Also told me that Robert Black Son of James and helen was born in Aberdeen..

I can't see a Black/Robertson marriage anywhere either.....
Another question - is James' birth of 1792 just a guess?

Searching with husband's surname Black, and wife's first name Helen, in Dunfermline (per 1851 census above), this is the only marriage 1805-20:

26/06/1818 BLACK ROBERT
HELEN SCOTT/FR3369 (FR3369) M DUNFERMLINE /FIFE
424/00 0100 0665

In fact, that's the only one in the whole of Fife 1805-20.


ADDED:
OK, just noticed your last post, Billy.

I can't see any marriageson ScotlandsPeople between a James Black and a Helen Robertson anywhere in Scotland 1805-1820.

I just find it strange 2 childre.n both age 3 months in same family .I have not found marriage Cert for James and Helen I got their details from son Richard.s marriage Cert .Regards Billy

Surely if they were twins they would have the same surname?

Where did you find the marriage of James Black and Helen Robertson, please?

Thanks Stuart .I checked Scotlands people for records but could only find records for Isabella .John. Richard. What I did find out 1841 census shows Ann Black age 3 months she is daughter of Isabella Black father showing as a Mr Dickson going with that it would appear that Helen Black is same person in both census records. Would you think Ann Black was a twin as 1841 census shows Isabella Ramsay also aged 3 months. Regards Billy

Are these the 2 census you are comparing? 1841 census does not normally show relationships, but on the face of it, a Helen Black would appear to be recorded with her children. I cannot find any information on Scotland's people re Baptisms for this family to confirm, nor any info on Family Search. Marriage or death certificates might show parents names if you can chase those children"s names through using the Scotlands People pay to view site.

1851 census transcription details for: Cowan Street, Kirkcaldy

National Archive Reference:
RG number:
Piece: 442
Folio: 310
Page: 15
Reg. District: Kirkcaldy
Sub District:
Parish: Kirkcaldy
Enum. District: 10
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Cowan Street, Kirkcaldy
County: Fife
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HUTCHESON, Robert Head Married M 27 1824 LabourerKirkcaldy, Fifeshire
HUTCHESON, Isabella Wife Married F 31 1820 Abbotshall, Fifeshire
HUTCHESON, Ann Daughter Unmarried F 10 1841 Scholar Kirkcaldy, Fifeshire
HUTCHESON, Janet Daughter F 8 1843 Scholar Kirkcaldy, Fifeshire
HUTCHESON, Robert Son M 5 1846 Scholar Kirkcaldy, Fifeshire
BLACK, Helen Mother-In-Law Widow F 59 1792 Winder Dumferlimine, Fifeshire
BLACK, Richard Brother-In-Law Unmarried M 14 1837 Errand Boy Abbotshall, Fifeshire
BLACK, John Brother-In-Law Unmarried M 24 1827 Labourer Abbotshall, Fifeshire

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1841 census transcription details for: Linktown, High Street, Abbotshall

National Archive Reference:
RG number:
Piece: 399
Book/Folio: 7
Page: 7
Reg. District:
Sub District:
Parish: Abbotshall
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Linktown, High Street, Abbotshall
County: Fife
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
HAXTON, Alexr M 60 1781 Labourer Fife
HAXTON, Christian F 45 1796 Fife
BLACK, Hellen F 45 1796 Fife
BLACK, Elizh F 20 1821 Fife
BLACK, Ann F 20 1821 Fife
BLACK, John M 16 1825 Fife
BLACK, Wm M 14 1827 Fife
BLACK, Robt M 7 1834 Fife
BLACK, Richd M 4 1837 Fife
BLACK, Ann F 0 (3 MO) 1841 Fife
RAMSAY, Isabella F 0 (3 MO) 1841 Fife

and others

I'm wondering if anyone can help .James BLack married Helen Robertson and had three children that I know of Isabella 1820 John 1827 Richard 1837. This is confirmed with 1851 census Cowan st KIrkcaldy.What I'm trying to find out is was there more. children in this family The reason I think there might be the 1841 census for HIgh st KIrkcaldy shows Helen Black with more than the above three children .James Black does not show in these census records I put that down to the fact he was serving in the merchant navy and would be away .Regards Billy .