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Trying to find BEER

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Melanie

Melanie Report 27 Sep 2013 05:27

I am looking for any information on

William Thomas Beer b 1850c in either Australia (most probably NSW) or possibly England who married a Sarah Cecilia Chilton b 1850c in London (am not certain she was born in London)

I know that they Married on 12/1/1876 in St James Church Sydney.

They had a son called William Joseph Beer 1876-1932 who was born in Sydney
Australia i am unsure if they had any other children. William Joseph Beer married Elizabeth Ethel Christey 1879-1953.

I have also found a daughter Celia Jane Beer b1880 in Sydney

If any one has information that could help me please contact me!

Gins

Gins Report 27 Sep 2013 07:44


Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922


Name:Edward E Beer

Birth Date:1884

Father's Name:William T Beer

Mother's Name:Sarah C

Birth Place:New South Wales

Registration Year:1884

Registration Place:Redfern, New South Wales

Registration number:10595



Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922

Name:Louisa M Beer

Birth Date:1887

Father's Name:William T Beer

Mother's Name:Sarah C

Birth Place:New South Wales

Registration Year:1887

Registration Place:Redfern, New South Wales

Registration number:11022



Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922

Name:Ethel M Beer

Birth Date:1889

Father's Name:William T Beer

Mother's Name:Sarah C

Birth Place:New South Wales

Registration Year:1889

Registration Place:Redfern, New South Wales

Registration number:8287



Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922

Name:Alfred T Beer

Birth Date:1882

Father's Name:William T Beer

Mother's Name:Sarah

Birth Place:New South Wales

Registration Year:1882

Registration Place:Sydney, New South Wales

Registration number:3083


Choccy

Choccy Report 27 Sep 2013 10:02


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915


Name:Sarah Cecilia Chilton

Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1849

Registration District: St Olave Southwark

Inferred County: London

Volume: 4 Page: 481


Choccy

Choccy Report 27 Sep 2013 10:13


??

New South Wales, Australia, Assisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1828-1896


Name: Sarah Chilton

Birth Year: abt 1849

Age: 8

Arrival Date: 23 Aug 1857

Vessel Name: Zemindar

Origin Location: St Andrews, Middlesex, England

travelling with father William aged 41 (a Sawyer) born Kings Farm Gardens, Middlesex - parents John and Sarah living in Middlesex
mother - Margaret aged 39 born St Andrews, Middlesex - parents Jabez (dead) and Margaret
William aged 12, Margaret Ann aged 10, (Sarah aged 8) and Maria aged 1
(all children born King Davids Lane)

Relative in the Colony is William's sister, Ann Chuter (address not known)


Choccy

Choccy Report 27 Sep 2013 10:16



Sarah Cecilia Beer died NSW 1938 - parents William and Margaret Ann

Gins

Gins Report 27 Sep 2013 17:30

PM

Could you please tell me what site you are using to Search Aus BDM.

RE ;your work on the Beers family .

I live in WA and I thought the site I was using good but could not find that info that you did.

Many Thanks



I've advised to post on here, rather than by PM

Gins

Gins Report 27 Sep 2013 17:33


New South Wales, Australia, Police Gazettes, 1854-1930

Name:William Thomas Beer

Birth Year: abt 1851

Age:54

Event Place:New South Wales, Australia

Event Type:Missing Person

Publication Date:3 May 1905

Page #:159


His wife Sarah is looking for him and he is thought to be 'insane'


If you buy the marriage certificate for the couple, you should find more details as to his birth place and parents

Choccy

Choccy Report 27 Sep 2013 18:14



http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/


possible children

2950/1876 BEER WILLIAM JOSEPH WILLIAM THOMAS SARAH CECILIA SYDNEY
2277/1880 BEER CELIA JANE WILLIAM THOMAS SARAH CECILIA SYDNEY
3083/1882 BEER ALFRED T WILLIAM T SARAH SYDNEY
10595/1884 BEER EDWARD E WILLIAM T SARAH C REDFERN 11022/1887 BEER LOUISA M WILLIAM T SARAH C REDFERN
8287/1889 BEER ETHEL M WILLIAM T SARAH C REDFERN


Melanie

Melanie Report 28 Sep 2013 02:31

Thank you when I searched bdm I could only see two children that they had I don't know what I was doing wrong?? It's been a few years since I have done any research and its almost like I'm a beginner again with all the different websites there are now!

Susan

Susan Report 28 Sep 2013 04:42



Thankyou Gins :-D

Suex

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 28 Sep 2013 08:35

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW (1842 - 1954)
Wednesday 28 September 1938

(Death notice of Sarah above)

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?adv=y

Chris :)

Gins

Gins Report 28 Sep 2013 09:44

According to a tree, this is William



Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922

Name:William Beer

Birth Date1847

Father's Name:William Beer

Mother's Name:Mary J

Birth Place:New South Wales

Registration Year1847

Registration Place:Sydney, New South Wales

Volume Number:V1847843 32A




Australia Death Index, 1787-1985

Name:William Beer

Death Date:1932

Death Place:New South Wales

Father's Name:William

Mother's Name:Mary J

Registration Year:1932

Registration Place: Randwick, New South Wales

Registration number:6937




Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980

Name:William Beer (Retired) & Sarah Cecilia Beet

Gender:Male

Electoral Year:1930

State:New South Wales

District:South Sydney

Subdistrict: Randwick North>>>> 7 Carrington Road




And Sarah is at the same address, alone after Williams death



Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980


Name:Sarah Cecelia Beer

Gender:Female

Electoral Year:1937

State:New South Wales

District:Watson

Subdistrict:Randwick North

Gins

Gins Report 28 Sep 2013 11:50

I think this may be Sarah with her family


1851 England Census

Name:Sarah Chitton <<mistranscibed, reads Chilton on the form

Age:1

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1850

Relation:Daughter

Father's Name:William Chitton

Mother's Name:Margaret Chitton

Gender:F (Female)

Where born: Southwk, Surrey, England

Civil Parish:Southwark St John Horsleydown

Ecclesiastical parish:St John

Registration District:St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration District:St Olave

ED, institution, or vessel:6
Household Schedule Number:15
Piece:1559
Folio:414
Page Number:4

Name

William Chitton 35
Margaret Chitton 36
William Chitton 6
Margaret Chitton 4
Sarah Chitton 1


۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 29 Sep 2013 08:03

Thanks for the link, Gins (though it looks like you have done very well without my help already :-D)

So a bit of sleuthing and I have this:

William BEER married Mary Jane LAMERTON in Exeter, Devonshire in Sep qtr of 1840. They arrived in NSW in February 1841 as Bounty Immigrants aboard "Marquis of Hastings'.

Name: William Beer
Birth Year (Estimated): 1817
Age: 24
Native Residence Place: St George Exeter, Devon, England
Father's Name: John Beer
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Spouse's Name: Mary Jane Beer [her record shows her as age 25]
Spouse's Residence Place: St George Exeter, Devon, England
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Lamerton
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Ship Name: Marquis Of Hastings
Event Date: 04 Feb 1841
Volume: 51
GS Film number: 416870
Digital Folder Number: 4117079
Image Number: 02080

They had the following children in NSW:

1. Julia L b. 1841, d. ?
2. Emma b. 1843, m. John DUKE 1864, d. 1873 Sydney
3. Thos b. 1844, d. 1844
4*. William b. 1847, m. Sarah Cecilia CHILTON 1876, d. 1932 Randwick
5. Frances H b. 1850, d. ?
6. James H b. 1854, d. 1855

Deaths of parents Wm & Mary Jane:
7307/1876 BEER WILLIAM / JOHN / ELIZABETH / MACLEAY RIVER
272/1857 BEER MARY J / THOMAS / JULIA / SYDNEY

Wiliam and Sarah had the following children born Sydney/Redfern:
1*. Wm Joseph 1876, m. Elizabeth Ethel CHRISTEY 1897, d. 1932 Sydney aged 55
2. Celia [Cecilia] Jane 1880, m1. Richard B PARKER 1906, m2. Edwin Windermere LYON 1944, d. 1966 Kogarah [first husband died in 1941]
3. Alfred T[hos?] 1882, d. 1905 Redfern
4. Edward Ernest 1884, m. Annie MEE 1907 NZ, d. 1953 NZ aged 69
5. Louisa Maria 1887, m. Sidney PHILLIPS 1913, d. 1933 Balmain South aged 45
6. Ethel May 1889, m. Geo J BIRTLES 1910, d. 1946 North Sydney aged 57

William's death notice, matches 1932 death found by Gins:

The Sydney Morning Herald, Thursday 19 May 1932
DEATHS.
BEER.-May 17, 1932, at his daughter's residence, Woodstock, 7 Carrlngton-road, Randwick, William, dearly loved husband of Sarah Beer, and loving father of Cecilia (Mrs. R. Parker), Ernest, Louisa (Mrs. S. Phillips), Ethel (Mrs. G. Birtles), and of the late William and Alfred Beer, aged 84 years.

This was eldest daughter Cecilia's address, also given on her mother Sarah's death notice.

His death reg matches parents above:
6937/1932 BEER WILLIAM / WILLIAM / MARY J / RANDWICK

Son William J died that same year.

The marriage cert of Wm & Sarah would confirm the parents for both.

Sarah's death reg matches details found by Gins above:
16226/1938 BEER SARAH CECILIA / WILLIAM / MARGARET ANN / RANDWICK

Chn's marriages:
2313/1906 PARKER RICHARD B / BEER CECILIA J / REDFERN
3477/1910 BIRTLES GEORGE J / BEER ETHEL M / SYDNEY
3058/1913 PHILLIPS SIDNEY / BEER LOUISA M / REDFERN

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 29 Sep 2013 08:22

From NLA Trove

The Sydney Morning Herald, Monday 22 February 1932
BEER - February 21, 1932, at Sydney Hospital, William Joseph, beloved husband of Ethel Beer, late of Arncliffe, and father of Eric, John, Ethel, Maud, Horace, Thelma, George, Jean, and May, aged 55 years.

He was buried at C of E Cemetery, Rookwood.

His wife:

The Sydney Morning Herald, Monday 21 September 1953
BEER. Elizabeth Ethel.- September 20, 1953, at her daughter's residence, 307 Bondi Road, Bondi, late of Taren Point, relict of William Joseph Beer, and dear mother of John, Ethel, Maud. Horace, Thelma,George, Jean and May, in her 75th year.

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 29 Sep 2013 08:37

William Joseph's younger sisters' death notices from SMH newspaper:

Monday 3 July 1933
PHILLIPS-July 1, 1933, Louisa Maria, dearly loved wife of Sldney Phillips of 1 McDonald street, Paddington, aged 45 years

Saturday 5 January 1946
BIRTLES. — January 4, 1946, Ethel May, beloved wife of George B. Birtles, of 123 Holt Avenue, Cremorne, and loving mother of George, F. O. Alfred (killed in action), F. S. Ronald (killed in action), Mercia (Mrs. J. Peek), Dorothy (Mrs. E. Barber), and dear aunt of Edward Rogers, and grandmother of John and Patricia Peek, aged 57 years. Requiescat in Pace.

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 29 Sep 2013 08:51

Death for Sarah Cecilia's mother, Margaret CHILTON, in NSW in 1875 as daughter of Jabez and Margaret, also fits what Choccy posted earlier...

1951/1875 CHILTON MARGARET A / JABEZ / MARGARET / SYDNEY

Friday 17 September 1875
CHILTON.—September 16, at her residence, 100, Woolloomooloo-street, Mrs. Margaret Chilton, in her 63rd year.

Looks like Sarah's brother William and father William both died in 1891. These notices posted in 1892:
CHILTON. — In loving remembrance of my dear father, William Chilton, who departed this life May 1, 1891, aged 76 years. Inserted by his loving daughter, Sarah Beer.
CHILTON. — In loving remembrance of my dear brother, William Chilton, who departed this lite May 19, 1891, aged 46 years. Inserted by his loving sister and brother-in-law, William and Sarah Beer.
(how sad that Sarah's husband and son would also end up dying in the same year!)

Has to be these deaths (with informant errors for Wm snr's parents):
9827/1891 CHILTON WILLIAM / WILLIAM / MARGARET A / MURWILLUMBAH
13036/1891 CHILTON WILLIAM / WILLIAM J / MARGARET A / REDFERN
[interestingly death notices show it was Wm snr who died in Redfern; son died suddenly 'at the Tweed River']

Also notices from Maria and Thomas FLOOD - so sister Maria married Thos J FLOOD in 1882; she died in 1909 in Ashfield NSW:
8212/1909 FLOOD MARIA / WILLIAM / MARGARET A / ASHFIELD

Her other sister, Margaret Anne, married Frederick Thomas PANTLIN in 1863. Her death:
17893/1928 PANTLIN MARGARET A / WILLIAM / MARGARET / REDFERN

They also died VERY close together!

The Sydney Morning Herald, Monday 15 October 1928
PANTLIN.-October 14, 1928, at residence, 85 Young-street, Redfern, Frederick Thomas Pantlin and Margaret Ann Pantlin, aged 87 and 85 [?] years.

The Sydney Morning Herald, Tuesday 16 October 1928
OBITUARY.
TWO PIONEERS
Within two hours of each other two pioneers, Mr. Frederick Thomas Pantlin and his wife, Margaret Anne, died at their home at Young street, Redfern, on Sunday.
Mr. Pantlin was aged 87 years, and Mrs. Pantlin was two years younger.
Born at Poplar, London, they came to Sydney 74 years ago, and lived at Redfern for 50 years. Mr. Pantlln started in Australia as a stockman for the late Mr. D. Berry, at Coolangatta. Later he purchased a farm at Tomerong, near Nowra. His next venture was to commence a four-horse bus service, which, however, was a failure, by reason of the competition of the first trams. Eight children-six sons and two daughters-survive.

Gins

Gins Report 29 Sep 2013 09:39

Nice one Cheri :-D


Melanie

Melanie Report 29 Sep 2013 11:47

Wow!!! Thanks for all of your help!! This is the first time I have had any luck on this part of my tree!! It's like information magically appeared one day and I was hibernating or something! You have all been fantastic! :)

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 2 Oct 2013 03:36

:-D happy to help!

(Tho' you should have known a heading like 'Trying to find BEER' would attract us Aussies!)