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Is this the son William in 1881 with grandparents named Alford? How does that name fit in?

1881 England Census
about William Strong Name: William Strong
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relationship to Head: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: India

Civil Parish: Sandford
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address: Hattins

Occupation: Scholar

Registration District: Crediton
Sub-registration District: Cheriton Fitzpaine
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2231
Folio: 83
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
James Alford 54
Elizabeth Alford 67
William Strong 10

What about this son Henry?

1881 England Census
about Henry Strong Name: Henry Strong
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Henry Strong
Mother: Elizabeth Strong
Gender: Male
Where born: Gwalior, East Indies

Civil Parish: Crediton
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address: Blatherstone

Occupation: Scholar

Registration District: Crediton
Sub-registration District: Crediton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2230
Folio: 15
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Strong 45
Elizabeth Strong 30
Henry Strong 7

Margee- Elizabeth was Elizabeth Strong - she remarried to James Alford. She was married to Charles Strong , Henry C H Strong's dad. He died shortly after Henry's birth.

Sorry- missed off Henry Charles Howard Junior! - my mum rang while I was trying to type up! -Yes he's Winfred and Henry's too. He was born 1873 East Indies or Gwalior depending on where you look! I have his marriage cert linking him definitely too.

Cannot find a birth reg. for the baby either- thought that would help


Maybe it was a still birth and wouldn't have been registered with the GRO?

I can't see the death of Winifred on FreeBMD.

Edit: Oops! This one?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Winifred Strong Name: Winifred Strong
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1879
Age at Death: 28
Registration District: Portsea Island
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 314

Yes :( I thought that - poor woman. If it is her- looks like she lost 4 babies out of 6 .
I think I will have to order the possible twins certs and see if that sheds any more light. Thanks for ur help .

They are twins because they have the same refs.


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Elizabeth Strong
Name: Elizabeth Strong
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1876
Registration District: Crediton
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 430

Death

Name: Elizabeth Strong
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1876
Age at Death: 0
Registration District: Crediton
Inferred County: Devonshire
Volume: 5b
Page: 318


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Winifred Strong
Name: Winifred Strong
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1876
Registration District: Crediton
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 430

Death

Winifred Strong
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1876
Age at Death: 0
Registration District: Crediton
Inferred County: Devonshire
Volume: 5b
Page: 318

I think they only issued births certs if the baby drew breath.

Thats what I thought for the twins. Must order certs then.

The stillbirth is the one in 1879 -she died of Puerperal fever-7 days after giving birth- but as there is no birth recorded of a 'Strong' baby in the right area etc then guess it was a stillbirth as not recorded. Sad for her - and doesn't help much!

Yes Margee -thats the death- the only thing that is remotely likely really- and the husband that registered is called Henry - strange he gives his occupation as a Grocer's assistant though. All the rest of the time he was 'Army pensioner' or similar.
I'm half wondering if he was trying to disappear for a while ......

Or the only other is-my mum just said- maybe the priest visited and baptised too very sick babies and they died while he was there. When he then entered it in the register he simply added (dead) beside the entry.

Thanks guys- I have to go to work now -but wil pop back later incase a genius has found something else! x

Do the baptisms have a margin note? Baptised Privately often have the notation BP and, as your mum suggests, the Priest has been sent for if they weren't expected to survive.
In all likelihood the 'Dead' does mean that by the time he came to enter the event, they had died but not that he was necessarily present when they did.

Have you been able to find a church burial record for the Winifred and Elizabeth infants.? As they were baptised, they would be named.

You might also try searching for burial records for the child of Winifred around about the same time as her death. The child might have been buried with her, or in someone else's coffin. The entry might just show 'infant' rather than a name if it were still born

Thanks detective,

No- nothing in margin other than dead.

Surprisingly i couldn't find burials for them in the same parish as the christening - hoping the death cert may help there. In theory it could have been up to 3 months later really that they died- so could have been anywhere. (though unlikely)
Have ordered a birth and death cert for twins - a birth for one and a death for other to cover most things - thought may have different people registering them possibly. may end up ordering lal of them -ouch!

I have tried to find a burial for Winifred the mum,but not managed to find it yet . Have emailed the burials bit in relevant area but they never replied :(. Must look again as more online all the time.

Thanks for your help though x

If DEAD was in the margin, then it would refer to the infant. If it was in the father's occupation column, then yes, it could cause you some confusion.

In any case, the certs you have sent for will sort out things for you ;-)

I wonder whether the birth of the child born just before Winifred died might have been registered a little late due to events.

An Ernest Edward Strong was registered in Alverstoke in the 2nd quarter of 1879. That could also tie in with Henry's military occupation.

Was Henry a bigamist on his 3rd marriage?

In 1891, that Ernest Edward is with widowed mother Mary I (J?) Strong aged 35 born Clapton, in Alverstoke.

Actually, yes?

1881 in Alverstoke

Name: Henry H. Strong
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Mary J. Strong
Where born: Barnet, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Alverstoke
County/Island: Hampshire

Street Address: 2 Cambridge Villas
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Major Royal Marines

Henry H. Strong 41
Mary J. Strong 29
Henry S. Strong 7
Frederic L.H. Strong 6
Mary M. Strong 4
>>> Ernest E. Strong 1
James D. Strong
Emma E. Doughty 20
Rosina E.A. Scorey 19

wait, wait, I have found a doppelganger it seems! :-)

'Henry married again in Jul 1881 - he is back in Devon England in Crediton. with his son William. (But on census is already living with new wife Elizabeth)'

but the ages and names and facts are all so similar :-D

I will leave it there as it rules out that 1879 child's birth it seems.

Gwalior is just over 300km S of Delhi.
From the 1750s thru 1858, India was pretty much run as a private empire of the East India Trading Company - this was set up to run Asian trade, but the Dutch managed to control Indonesia (nutmeg/cloves), and the Brits settled for India. Running India was taken over in the 1850-1870s by the British government following the 1857 rebellion (sometimes called the Sepoy Revolt).

Joonie Cloonie- yes thanks I have everything on henry -but no he wasn't a bigamist -have death certs of first two wives :) The other Henry H Strong isn't him at all.

Its just the twins I was trying to sort.

I now have their Certs -they came in record speed!

Twins died - both of them -premature -Winifred only 6 hours after birth -so looks like it did sadly refer to them. But at least the local priest baptised them.Thanks for help everyone.