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Hello Everyone . My name is Kath I am Brians sister in law and i dident have access to his password and only just noticed the reply from Polly so sorry dident pick up on all the hard word and information off you all . But Brian would like to say Thank you very much for your help . Polly .........the witness on the marriage certificate of Charles Earp and Rosina Cotterell are . Eliza Jane Ashford . and we think .William John Ashford .........

:-) Its very difficult to communticate with Brian as he cant speak or communicate since developing motor neurone ten years ago but is very keen to find out about his past . He has got a lot of information already but gets stuck on these things and its brilliant that the community are helping in this way and would like to thank you all very much .

Hello Everyone . My name is Kath I am Brians sister in law and i dident have access to his password and only just noticed the reply from Polly so sorry dident pick up on all the hard word and information off you all . But Brian would like to say Thank you very much for your help . Polly .........the witness on the marriage certificate of Charles Earp and Rosina Cotterell are . Eliza Jane Ashford . and we think .William John Ashford .........

:-) Its very difficult to communticate with Brian as he cant speak or communicate since developing motor neurone ten years ago but is very keen to find out about his past . He has got a lot of information already but gets stuck on these things and its brilliant that the community are helping in this way and would like to thank you all very much .

Hi Brian/Kath

I really wish I could help with this, but I am not finding anything at the moment.

Could you give us the addresses from the marriage cert, please.

HI Kath/Brian did you get the fathers name as Edward and the occupation as butcher from the marriage certificate or from somewhere else please?

Thank you .. I will gather up as much information as I can . Charles Earp address is 4b Hope Street , Birmingham .. Rosinas is 6 Havelock place , Hope Street Birmingham . Yes the occupation of the father was on the marriage certificate too . Thanks once again ...Brian has said its going back with Rosina and Edward he wants to find out .(Cotterill) Brian and his wife Christine thanks you very much for your help . xx

TS .....

I do my searches in what I've found to be the easy way ................ works on most sites, especially ancestry


Cot*r*l


This seems to pick up all the variants of Cottrell

Hi Kath and Brian.

I'm also stuck on this one.

Sorry to ask but was Rosina listed as single on the marriage cert?

I tried the address for her on the 1901 census. No luck as it doesn't seem to be there. :-|

I'm also having a problem with the witnesses.

Really sorry!

Maureen

I was wondering about this marriage, bearing in mind the baptism I posted on page one


Birmingham, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937

Name:Edward Cottrell <<Optician

Gender:Male

Birth Year:abt 1854

Marriage Date:26 Jul 1874

Marriage Age:20

Marriage Place:
Aston, St Peter and St Paul, Warwickshire, England <<Address: Aston Manor

Spouse:Hannah Parker

Spouse Gender:Female

Spouse Marriage Age:19

Father:Henry Cottrell <<Optician

Spouse's Father:George Parker<<Gunmaker

Reference Number:DRO 41

Archive Roll:M93

Wit: Alfred & Hannah Parker



1871 England Census

Name:Edward Cottrill

Age:15

Estimated birth year:
abt 1856

Relation:Son

Father's Name:Henry Cottrill

Mother's name:Mary Cottrill

Gender:Male

Where born:Coleshill, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish:Birmingham

Ecclesiastical parish:St Stephen

Town:Birmingham

County/Island:Warwickshire

Country:England

Registration district:Birmingham

Sub-registration district:St George

ED, institution, or vessel:30

Household schedule number:96

Piece:3123
Folio:86
Page Number:18

Household Members:


Henry Cottrill 34 <<<Optician
Mary Cottrill 33
Edward Cottrill 15
Matilda Cottrill 13
William H Cottrill 11
Francis Cottrill 9
Albert Cottrill 8
Rosa Cottrill 6
George Cottrill 1


The fathers death and probate



England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name:Henry Cottrell <<spectacle maker of 23 Carpenter Rd

Probate Date:12 Jun 1890

Death Date:18 May 1890

Death Place:Warwickshire, England

Registry:Birmingham, England


Proved by: Charles Timmings of The Casters Arms, Tower St - Innkeeper & Harry Green - Innkeeper

The only Edward Cotterill butcher that I have found.
1881 Ancoats Manchester lancs
Edward 1856 Pork butcher born Chatham.
Alice 1854
Sarah J . 3.

Ancoats is close to the same area that Rosina and Charles was in 1911.

I can't find anything else on this Edward at all,which seems strange.

Maryb.

I havwe been following that one Mary but I can't confirm that is is him yet.

I have found him on 1901 and I think I have found him on 1891:

1901 census transcription details for: Bushcomb, Woodmancote
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 2457
Folio: 34
Page: 10
Reg. District: Winchcomb
Sub District: Cleeve
Parish: Woodmancote
Enum. District: 3
Ecclesiastical District: Bishop's Cleeve
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Bushcomb, Woodmancote
County: Gloucestershire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
COTTERILL, Edward Head Single M 47 1854 Butcher
Woodmancote, Gloucestershire
COTTERILL, Joseph Brother Married M 49 1852 General Labourer
Woodmancote, Gloucestershire
COTTERILL, Albert Nephew Single M 19 1882 General Labourer
Woodmancote, Gloucestershire



1891 census transcription details for: 75, Stanhope Street, Cheltenham
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 2045
Folio: 127
Page: 11
Reg. District: Cheltenham
Sub District: Cheltenham
Parish: Cheltenham
Enum. District: 24
Ecclesiastical District: St Peters
City/Municipal Borough: Cheltenham
Address: 75, Stanhope Street, Cheltenham
County: Gloucestershire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GAPPER, William Head Married M 65 1826 Gardener
Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
GAPPER, Charlotte Wife Married F 65 1826 Shop Keeper
Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
GAPPER, Harriett Granddaughter Single F 18 1873 Scholar
Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
WELLS, Alice Visitor Single F 18 1873 General Servant Domestic
Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
BLAKER, William Boarder Single M 36 1855 General Labourer

COTTERAL, Edward Boarder Widower M 36 1855 General Labourer
Woodmancote, Gloucestershire
COTTERAL, Albert Boarder M 10 1881 Scholar
Manchester, Lancashire
COTTERAL, Lizzie Boarder F 6 1885 Scholar
Cleeve, Gloucestershire


Still working on it................. perhaps you can help to connect them?

Dea x

This looks like the sarah jane age 3 that I posted about in Ancoats.

1891 Manor farm Gloucester Winchcomb Cleve (same as Edward 1891/901
Sarah Cotterill born 1878 Manchester a domestic servant

1901 The Towers Beckford Cleve
Sarah Cotterill 1878 Manchester a servant.

Marriage
Sarah J Cotterill 1906 Gloucestershire 6a 403 to David George Hall.

1911 19,Kitchener Avenue Gloucestershire
David George Hall 1877 Glou a railway Platelayer
Sarah Jane Hall 1878 Manchester married 1906.
1 daughter with them.
Twins born 1912 David G and Edward S (Both died 1912
) and maybe Cyril J 1916.

Not found any connection to Rosina as yet.

Maryb.

Hi Sylvia, thanks for the tip on searching Ancestry. I've been using Ancestry for over eleven years and didn't realise I could use more than one asterisk in a name :-(

Wendy

I found Rosina's burial site at Philips Park Cemetery 28/10/1949 and was hoping that perhaps there were other family members in there which might help but she was buried with Charles (3/9/1942 and no other family members with them so not much help there then. :-(

Dea x

Thank you all very much ... I will be in touch with Brian and let him know all this information . Your all so helpful .

TS


you can even search with an asterisk or ? at the beginning of the name

so .............. ?ott*ll or *ott*ll


it does work better with more letters following rather than fewer



but that does help if you have a name where the initial letter is frequently mis-transcribed


eg ............. Ladd ...... which can be seen as Sadd, Cadd, etc etc


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