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Hi
Can someone out there be of help in knocking this wall down please??
my gr grandma was born Helensburgh-Scotland 1867 she died August 1903 in the city poor house at Glasgow,under her married name of King
I have her marriage cert and death cert both confirm the year of birth and her poor relief records confirm place of birth -cert gives parents names has James Millar and Maria Burns
but I cannot find her in any census/nor her actual birth/
thanks
Liz

who did she marry?

What was her father's occupation please?

Did she have any siblings?

I can't find a marriage for her parents after 1855.

A general search on scotlands people shows 1 marriage in 1872 between a James Miller and a Maria ? in Dumbarton, but maiden name is not Burns.

Could Maria have been married before and so was married under another name?

It may also be that James was never married to Maria Burns because he was married to someone else?

This Margaret Miller, with father James was born in Dumbarton but mother is noted as Catherine McCallum, so probably not your Margaret?

1871 Scotland Census about Margaret Miller
Name: Margaret Miller
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: James Miller
Mother's name: Catherine McCallum
Gender: Female
Where born: Old Kilpatrick, Dumbarton
Registration Number: 501
Registration district: Old Kilpatrick
Civil Parish: Old Kilpatrick
County: Dumbartonshire
Address: Shepherds House
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 105
LINE: 7
Roll: CSSCT1871_88
Household Members:
Name Age
James Miller 42
Catherine McCallum 34
Matthew Miller 15
Peter Miller 13
James Miller 11
Christina Miller 9
Janet Miller 6
Margaret Miller 4

..........do the siblings names mean anything to you or can we rule this one out?

Have you checked birth for MArgaret Burns 1867 Kilmarnock district?

Hello every one thank you for all your replies
Margaret married HUGH kING 19/5/1885 at Blackfriars House Dennistoun-

Has far has I can find out she had 2 children Euphemia Welsh born Maternity Hosp Glasgow 1/3/1891 she died city poor house Glasgow 21/3/1892
her birth cert lists her has father Thomas Welsh journeyman/optician and mother Margaret Miller a soft good hawker
then Margaret the following year gave birth to Bridget -my grandma born 17/12/1892 at 1 Wallace Crt Glasgow
Margaret s fathers James occupation is listed on daughters marriage cert to Hugh has hawker-James married a Mary Burns on the 21/2/1865 in the district of Calton(Scotlands People)

Linked thread:


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1338209

Have now recieved Margaret`s poor relief papers from Scotland and it states the following so can anyone help refine the details please=
Margaret Miller born to James Miller a slippermaker and Bridget Burke who according to the relief papers had died 3 months ago in 27 King St ,

Margeret according to the above papers born at Hablick,Helensburgh Scotland

I take it you don't have Bridget's death certificate. It gives her husband's name as JOHN Millar, a Smallware Hawker. He was the informant and signed John Millar. There is an entry in the RCE (Register of Corrected Entries).

I am not seeing John on the 1891 census but by then he may not have been living in King Street.

Do the actual birth certificates give a date and place of marriage for Thomas and Margaret please?

Name: Euphemia Welsh
Birth Date: 01 Mar 1891
Birthplace: Blackfriars, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

Father's Name: Thomas Welsh

Mother's Name: Margaret Millar

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01956-6
System Origin: Scotland-EASy
GS Film number: 255138
Reference ID: p106



Where does Hugh King come into things please? Did he die and Margaret re-marry?

Has far has I can tell they never married

Ah, here they are. Margaret's year of birth is out though.

1871 census transcription details for: 4, Vennel, Greenock
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 564
Folio: 1
Page: 2
Reg. District: Greenock
Sub District:
Parish: Greenock
Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 4, Vennel, Greenock
County: Renfrewshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
TODD, Charles Head Married M 52 1819 Labourer Sugar Refinery Ireland
TODD, Ann Wife Married F 42 1829 Ireland
TODD, Edward Son Unmarried M 22 1849 Labourer Sugar Refinery Glasgow, Lanarkshire
TODD, Catherine Daughter Unmarried F 16 1855 Printers Transferer Pottey Glasgow, Lanarkshire
TODD, Charles Son Unmarried M 14 1857 Prentice Moulder (Iron) Glasgow, Lanarkshire
TODD, Joseph Son Unmarried M 8 1863 Scholar Greenock, Renfrewshire
TODD, Neil Son M 2 1869 Greenock, Renfrewshire
QUIN, Eugene Head Married M 70 1801 Licensed Lodging Ho Keeper Ireland
QUIN, Helen Wife Married F 50 1821 Ireland
JUDGE, Jane Servant Unmarried F 17 1854 Servant (General) Ireland
BLUE, Mary Servant Unmarried F 30 1841 Servant (General) Greenock, Renfrewshire
LAGAN, Barnard Lodger Widower M 50 1821 Labourer (General) Ireland
SWANEY, Bernard Lodger Unmarried M 54 1817 Labourer (General) Ireland
MCLAUGHLAN, John Lodger Unmarried M 19 1852 Mason's Labourer Ireland
HENDERSON, John Lodger Unmarried M 24 1847 General Labourer Ireland
MCGINNIS, Charles Lodger Unmarried M 17 1854 General Labourer Ireland
CRAWFORD, Edward Lodger Married M 40 1831 Chimney Sweeper Ireland
CRAWFORD, Jane Lodger (Wife) Married F 30 1841 Ireland
CRAWFORD, Mary Lodger (Daur) F 1 1870 Ireland
>>MILLAR, John Lodger Married M 27 1844 General Hawker Paisley, Renfrewshire
>>MILLAR, Bridget Lodger (Wife) Married F 30 1841 Glasgow, Lanarkshire
>>MILLAR, Samuel Lodger (Son) M 5 1866 Glasgow, Lanarkshire
>>MILLAR, Margaret Lodger Daur F 0 1871 Helensburgh, Dumbartonshire
CARLIN, Thomas Lodger Married M 50 1821 Scavenger Ireland
CARLIN, Rose Lodger (Wife) Married F 42 1829 Ireland
CARLIN, Elizabeth Lodger Daur F 10 1861 Glasgow, Lanarkshire
MCCALL, Daniel Lodger Widower M 33 1838 Railway Labourer Glasgow, Lanarkshire
ASHMORE, William Lodger Unmarried M 21 1850 General Hawker Ireland
QUIN, James Lodger Unmarried M 40 1831 Sugarhouse Labourer Ireland
SIM, Alexander Lodger Unmarried M 40 1831 General Labourer Greenock, Renfrewshire

Thank you Alvigirl
This is them/ I didnt` know that there was also a son so thank you for this

I now have Bridget`s death cert she was found dead in a lodging house in Glasgow -no suspicious circumstances
I have also learned today that according to Margaret`s poor relief she was in 1901 in Duke St Prison ,does anyone have any pointers has to where I may look??
thank you

She wasn't in Duke Street Prison at the time of the 1901 census.

Info re whereabouts of Duke Street Prison (Glasgow) records 1845 - 1955:

http://www.nas.gov.uk/guides/crime.asp#criminals

http://www.nas.gov.uk/searchRooms/default.asp