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I have been searching for Jesse Swindle/swindall/swindell's father.Jesse was born in 1858 in Ashby-de-la -Zouch.He married Jane Eleanor Homer Born 1861 in Ashby-De-La-Zouch Leicestershire England.I have found conflicting information so I am unsure.Regards Gill

Mother is widowed, if this is him?

1861 England Census
Jerry Swindell Age: 3 Estimated birth year: 1858
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Mary Swindell
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashby De La Zouch
Civil Parish: Ashby de la Zouch
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Ashby County/Island: Leicestershire Country: England
Registration district: Ashby De La Zouch Sub-registration district: Ashby de la Zouch
ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 99 Piece: 2269 Folio: 110 Page Number: 22
Mary Hayes 33
Elizabeth Hayes 18
Ann Hayes 16
Thomas Hayes 14
Mary Swindell 35 boarder Draper's assistant
Joseph Swindell 6
xxxxJerry Swindell 3
Samuel Swindell 2
Joseph Trussell 50
Elisa Trussell 40
Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 2269; Folio: 110; Page: 22; GSU roll: 542946.

Have you found a birth for him?

If that 1861 census is Jesse, wondered if they were all born as Dennis?

Births Sep 1854
Dennis Joseph Ashby 7a 75

Births Sep 1857
Dennis Jesse Ashby de la Zouch 7a 69

Births Sep 1858
Dennis Samuel Ashby de la Z. 7a 74

The youngest child appears to be Daniel on subsequent census so I think the boys were all born as HAYES.

Wonder about this marriage:

Marriages Sep 1860
Hayes Mary Ashby de la Z 7a 136
SWINDELL John Ashby de la Z 7a 136
.........
???????
Deaths Sep 1860
Swindall John Ashby de la Z. 7a 45
............

Even if it's the correct marriage there's no guarantee that John was the father.

Maureen

????

Jesse Hays, "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
Name: Jesse Hays
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 06 Jun 1858
Christening Place: ASHBY DE LA ZOUCH,LEICESTER,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary Hays
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C06450-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 585295, 585296
Reference ID:



Births Sep 1857 (>99%)
Hayes Jesse Ashby de la Zouch 7a [7_]9

As the 1861 census has them living with the Hayes family, it would make sense.

Hello Chris, I do not have any Certificates for Jess.I have his Mother's BMDso I know for sure that Jess was her father.I want to send for Jess's Birth Certificate but Southport Registry Office will want to knoew the day.month as well as the year consequently the reason for my plea

(above PM received, have advised to add here, and how to get back to 'Thread'.

Chris :)

The birth may not have been registered......especially as he was illegitimate

You may have to accept that you will never know who fathered him..............

I agree with you that he might have been illegitimate but surely he would had to be registered anyway..I am going to send for a Birth Certificate in a hope that the staff at Southport will research either side of 1858 and be able to come up with the desired Certificate. Regards Gill

No, it did not 'have' to be registered............until 1875 there were no penalties for not registering births.

But...........

You've been given the birth registration...............

Reggie, I have not had the Birth Registration as I do not know for sure if the other people are right.Gill

I would be very surprised if they aren't!

If you ask Southport for a birth for Swindalls (or a variant thereof), you are going to be disappointed, I fear;

And did you take note of the info about pre-1875 births?

1851 census

Person: HAYES, Mary Address: Calais, Ashby De La Zouch

HAYES, Mary Head Widow F 26 1825 Glove Knitter
Ashby de la Z, Leicestershire VIEW
HAYES, Elizabeth Daughter F 8 1843 Scholar
Ashby de la Z, Leicestershire VIEW
HAYES, Ann Daughter F 6 1845 Scholar
Ashby de la Z, Leicestershire VIEW
HAYES, Thomas Son M 4 1847 Scholar
Ashby de la Z, Leicestershire VIEW
HAYES, Joseph Son M 0 (10 MOS) 1851
Ashby de la Z, Leicestershire

Births Dec 1858 (>99%)
Hayes Daniel Ashby de la Z 7a 82
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Name: Daniel Swindell
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 07 Oct 1860
Christening Place: ASHBY DE LA ZOUCH,LEICESTER,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Swindell
Mother's Name: Mary

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C06450-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 585295, 585296

From: knickerbocker

12:15 PM

Hello Safc I will keep the information that you gave me ,on file for future reference.Regards Gill

Just for information, presumably these are the 3 births that are believed to be of the 3 sons:
Births Mar 1855
Hayes Joe Ashby 7a 90
Births Sep 1857
Hayes Jesse Ashby de la Zouch 7a [7_]9
Births Dec 1858
Hayes Daniel Ashby de la Z 7a 82

A check in 'Search All Member Trees' (top right of page, under 'Search')

3 others sharing name Jesse Swindell, not sure if you have had contact with them...

Chris :)

Dear Chris I have sent an e.mail to Catherine Homer and I am waiting for a reply.Jess married a Jane Eleanor Homer was it looks promising. Regards Gill

Births Dec 1861 (>99%)
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HOMER Jane Ashby de la Z 7a 84

(probably above)


Deaths Mar 1927 (>99%)
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Swindall Jane 65 Ashby de la Zouch 7a 160


http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl


1871
First NameJANE
Last NameHOMER
RelationshipDAUGHTER
GenderFemale Age9
Birth County
LEICESTERSHIre
StreetGRANGERS YARD
ParishASHBY DE LA ZOUCH
TownASHBY DE LA ZOUCH
CountyLeicestershire
CountryENGLAND
Registration District ASHBY DE LA ZOUCH
Archive ReferenceRG10
Piece Number3248
Folio55
Page20
HENRY HOMER HEAD 31 1840 (Brickmaker)
ANN HOMER WIFE 31 1840
LIZZIE HOMER DAUGHTER 11 1860
WILLIAM HOMER SON 7 1864
FANNY HOMER DAUGHTER 5 1866
ANN HOMER DAUGHTER 2 1869

Chris :)


Births Jun 1862 (>99%)
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HOMER Jane Ellenor Dudley 6c 14

(not getting middle name from above are you?)