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Nudge to the top of the board for Samuel.

It's best to delete the new thread you started today and continue on this one.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1339276
Granfather Sam

Mavis has a good point, without trying to generalise or get into the politcal argument about "correctness" a horse dealer and general dealer could possibly indicate they were of Gypsy/Romany origin - although not necessarily. I hadn't thought about it from that angle - the families can be very difficult to find/follow.

If these families are travellers / Gypsy / Hawkers you will have a hard time
trying to find them on Census , many of such people dont appear on census
as they are not found by census recorders.

The best way to try and find such people is by baptisms , they travelled
around the country quite a lot.

there are some Gypsy sites that may help

Mavis

For what it's worth I think he probably lied about his age - older than Minnie - marriage would indicate c1863, 1911 census c 1866 and death c1864 so I would be inclined to look a few years earlier for a birth. The thing about lying, you need a good memory!

Did the witnesses (alfred & elizabeth compton) at your grandparents marriage give any clues? Just wondered if you had traced them to see if they were from Sam's side of the family.

Have you tried to find Isaac Rogers, horse dealer, on the 1871/81 census to see if Sam was with him? That is, if he actually existed - some marriages recorded ficticious fathers to cover illgitimacy ;-)

Samuel's father Isaac is deceased in 1905 but was a horsedealer.

Thank you for all your help I only know about Sam's second wife my grandmother
Minnie Leadbeater .they married in Manchester in 1905. My problem is in LONDON
I don't know who Isaac was married to and also Sam was a widower who he married I don't know or if he had children. Sam and Minnie had a son Sam born 1910 died 1961 this was my dad

Previous marriage for Minnie

Marriages Mar 1894

Brindley Arthur Elijah Stoke T. 6b 268
Ford Emma Stoke T. 6b 268
Leadbeatter Minnie Stoke T. 6b 268
Leadbetter Minnie Stoke T. 6b 268
Smith William Stoke T. 6b 268

Marriages Dec 1905

BRINDLEY Minnie Manchester 8d 364
FARRAND Margaret Manchester 8d 364
HUTCHINSON Thomas Manchester 8d 364
ROGERS Samuel Manchester 8d 364

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Name:
Samuel Rogers

Birth Year:abt 1863
Age:42

Marriage Date:30 Dec 1905
Parish:Manchester, St John

Parish as it Appears:Manchester

Father's Name:Isaac Rogers

Spouse's Name:Minnie Brindley
Spouse's Father's Name:George Leadbetter

1911
Married 7 years
1 child born

Samuel Rogers 45 - coachman - London
Minnie Rogers 38 - Handley
Arthur Brindley 14 - stepson - Handley
Glaydas Brindley 11 - step daughter - Handley
Samuel Rogers 4/12 - son - Manchester

Hi Samuel

You need to give us more details about your grandfather....parents, sibling(s) children and wife etc

There are all sorts of reasons why people do not reply to you, re their tree info

Is this the tree you mean ?

Samuel Rogers
Birth abt 1864 in London City, England
Death Jun 1931 in Salford, Lancashire, England

father : Isaac Rogers 1830 –

spouse : Minnie Leadbeater 1872 – 1935

child :Samuel Rogers1910 – 1961

Dea,
If I don,t get it right this time leave it its my fault ok her goes.
I can not find Sam Rogers death certificate I ordered 2 one 1915 wrong wife
1931 my Gran Minnie and my dad Sam wasn't, on it .
Sam married Minnie on the Dec 30th in Manchester on it it said he was born in 1866 in London Genes friends found he was born London 1854.

Minnie died 1935 Salford and my dad died 1961 Salford

On the 1911 Census they lived in Temple St Chorlton on Medlock.
Everything you have all found about him was perfect I couldn't, have done it without you all.
Sam