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Finding parents of Hannah Marsh 1829-1882 b. Notts

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Alicia

Alicia Report 1 Aug 2014 11:15

Hi Grey Ghost
Yes those records you've found are the ones I have. It's pre-1861 that's the problem. The 1881 census incorrectly gives her her husband's name as Thomas instead of Joseph.
Alicia

Alicia

Alicia Report 1 Aug 2014 11:12

Hi Ricochet

The witnesses at the marriage were Charles Bingham and Ellen Hawley. See the marrriage record above. No age given. But her age given in censuses in 1861, 1871 and 1881 are all consistent, as is the place of birth.
Alicia

Alicia

Alicia Report 1 Aug 2014 11:07

Hi Andy
Interestiing John Marsh idea. One problem is that for this John Marsh to be at her marriage 21 years later he would have had to survive to 102. However maybe this marriage record doesn't require him to be at the wedding or even alive. What do you think?

Record set Derbyshire Marriages
First name(s) Hannah
Last name Marsh
Age Full Age
Marital status Spinster
Occupation -
Marriage year 1862
Marriage day 24
Marriage month Oct
Place Brampton St Thomas
Spouse's name (last, first) Bingham Joseph
Father's name John Marsh
Father's occupation School Master
Witnessess Charles Bingham/Ellen Hawley
Signed Signed
Residence Brampton St Thomas
County Derbyshire
Country England
Notes -

greyghost

greyghost Report 1 Aug 2014 10:38

Same family 1871 with husband as Joseph. He is recorded as an Agent for ------- Cotton and from Clay Cross, Derbys

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Wardle Road South Street, Sale, Altrincham, Cheshire, England

Print household transcription Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Bingham Head - Male 38 1833 - Derbyshire
Hannah Bingham Wife - Female 42 1829 - Nottinghamshire <<<Mansfield
George D Bingham Son - Male 4 1867 - Lancashire

Ricochet

Ricochet Report 1 Aug 2014 10:34

latching on to Andy's find


Name: Hannah Cowley
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 26 Dec 1828
Christening Place: MANSFIELD,NOTTINGHAM,ENGLAND
Mother's Name: Mary Cowley Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04486-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 504077, 504078

Andrew

Andrew Report 1 Aug 2014 10:34


England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
about Hannah Cowley

Name:Hannah Cowley
Gender:Female
Baptism Date:26 Dec 1828
Baptism Place:Mansfield,Nottingham,England
Mother: Mary Cowley
FHL Film Number:504077, 504078

Andy

Andrew

Andrew Report 1 Aug 2014 10:31

Hi Alicia and welcome to the GR messages boards..


This entry for 1841 caught my eye.

John Marsh despite his age is a former schoolmaster (or at least that what it looks like) He could have been father for Hannah and she later took his name.

Hannah is correct age and in correct place.


1841 England Census
about John Marsh

Name:John Marsh
Age:81
Estimated birth year:abt 1760
Gender:Male
Civil Parish:Mansfield
Hundred:Broxtow (North Division)
County/Island:Nottinghamshire
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
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>>>>>Registration district:Mansfield
Sub-registration district:Mansfield
Neighbors:
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Piece:859
Book:4
Folio:34
Page Number:18
Household Members:
Name
Age

John Marsh 81
Mary Cowley 47
Hannah Cowley 12

Andy


greyghost

greyghost Report 1 Aug 2014 10:30

Is this the Hannah you refer to? She is recorded as b 1829 and being from Mansfield but the husband is listed as Thomas not Joseph

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
32, Eastnor Street, Stretford, Barton upon Irwell, Lancashire, England

Print household transcription Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Bingham Head Married Male 48 1833 Agent For Sewing Cotton & Silk 4 Men 2 Boys Clay Cross, Derbyshire
Hannah Bingham Wife Married Female 52 1829 Agents Wife Mansfield, Nottinghamshire
George D Bingham Son Single Male 14 1867 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire
Thomas E Bingham Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar Brooklands, Cheshire
---------------------------------------------
And the marriage you refer to?

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription
Print individual transcription View image
Year Of Marriage 1862
First name(s) JOSEPH
Last name BINGHAM
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1862
Registration month -
MarriageFinderâ„¢ JOSEPH BINGHAM married one of these people
SARAH TURNER, HANNAH MARSH
Spouse's last name -
District CHESTERFIELD
County Derbyshire
Country England
Volume 7B
Page 902

Ricochet

Ricochet Report 1 Aug 2014 09:56

Who witnessed the marriage?

Did she give her age when she married?

Alicia

Alicia Report 1 Aug 2014 09:29

Hannah Marsh (b. c1829 Mansfield Nottingham) is my g-g grandmother. She married Joseph Bingham on 24 Oct 1862 (Parish of St Thomas, Brampton, Chesterfield Derby). She died 1882 (Manchester Lancs). Please help me find her parents and siblings.

My main source of records is FindMyPast.co.uk. From Derbyshire marriage records I know her father was John Marsh (school master in 1862).
From census records after her marriage I know her birth place was Mansfield, Nottinghamshire and she was born approximately 1829.

The only pre-marriage record I have found for her is the 1861 Census.
In 1861 census she is 32 and visiting Mary Read (35) who has 2 small children in Dilhorne Staffordshire. Hannah's occupation is described as "formerly lady's maid" Born Mansfield Nottinghamshire. Another visitor of similar age and also formerly lady's maid is Sarah Beddows b. 1825, Dilhorne, Staffordshire.

I can't find her in the 1851 census when she is 22. There are 18 people called Hannah Marsh born between 1828 and 1830. None of them born in Mansfield Notts.

In the 1841 census there is only one Hannah Marsh out of 7 born between 1828 and 1830 who may have been born in Nottinghamshire (recorded as not born in Devon). This Hannah is a 12 year old servant working for a Devonshire farmer, surname Harris, and staying at the property there is also a 40 yo woman called Jane Marsh (not born in Devon, no recorded occupation, last record for that household) who could be related to this Hannah.

Where should I look next to find out who the parents of my Hannah Marsh are (bearing in mind that I live in New Zealand)?
Thanks Alicia :-)