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I am trying to discover the surname of a WILLIAM PARKER born c1790 Bristol Gloucestershire who married HARRIET (surname unknown) born c1796 at St Werburgh Derby Derbyshire. They are present in the 1841 and 1851 census and had numerous children in Derby but, I am unable to find their marriage.
Can anyone help please

Isn't Parker his surname?

Sorry it is the surname of his wife (finger trouble)

????

Name: William Parker
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 01 Sep 1829
Event Place: Duffield, Duffield, Derbyshire, England
Gender: Male
Age:
Marital Status: Single
Birth Year (Estimated):
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Name: Harriett Riggott
Spouse's Marital Status: Widowed
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated):
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
GS Film number: 1041431
Digital Folder Number: 004451967
Image Number: 00019



Citing this Record:
"England, Derbyshire, Church of England Parish Registers, 1538-1910," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VNY9-ZT7 : accessed 29 Aug 2014), William Parker and Harriett Riggott, 01 Sep 1829; citing Marriage, Duffield, Duffield, Derbyshire, England, Record Office, Matlock; FHL microfilm 1041431.

Thanks for the details of the above marriage in 1829. In the 1841 and 1851 census returns they have a son who was born (Edwin) c1823 St Werburg Derby. This leads me to 2 thoughts.
(1) That they may have had children out of wedlock but that seems unlikely because they had other children born c1819 upwards in St Werburg Derby.
(2) Did William Parker marry twice and that Harriet shown in the 1841/1851 census returns was his 2nd wife?
The 2nd seems possible but again I am unable to establish what is fact and what is assumption.

Edwin could also have been Harriet's child ................ that marriage does say she was a widow!

for our reference ..............


is this them in the 1851 Census??


1851 Census

Name: William Parker
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriet Parker
Gender: Male
Where born: Bristol
Civil Parish: Derby St Peter
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Registration district: Derby
Sub-registration district: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: 18r
Neighbors: View others on page

William Parker 60 Coach Maker
Harriet Parker 55 b.ca 1796, St Wesbergh, Derbyshire
Edwin Parker 28 b.ca 1823, St Wesbergh, Cabinet Maker
Charles Parker 18 b.ca 1833, St Wesbergh,
Fanny Parker 16 b.ca 1835, St Wesbergh

maybe Edwin is Harriet's child ........................


from ancestry ..................




England, Select Derbyshire, Church of England Parish Registers, 1538-1910 about Edwin Parker

Name: Edwin Parker
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 18 Jul 1819
Baptism Place: St Peter's Church, Derby, Derbyshire, England
Father: William Parker
Mother: Harriet Parker
FHL Film Number: 2082435





EDIT:-


ooops NO .................. this one is too early for Edwin!

Yes, that is another possibility and makes sense..
Yes , that is the family in the 1851 census which clearly states William originated in Bristol. That in itself poses another question. Why did William move from Bristol to Derby. Was it with his family? Was it because of his work? I will look further into the marriage to Harriet Riggott which as you say could be the answer.

William probably moved "for work"


It could have been to apprentice with someone, or after he finished his apprenticeship because there was an opportunity "up north" rather than in Gloucestershire ...............


our ancestors did move around much much more than we think they did!

Some more children to check out - 1841 census:

William Parker
Age:50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Gender:Male
Civil Parish:St Peter
Hundred:Derby Borough
County/Island:Derbyshire
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation: <<Coach builder (not born in county)
View image
Registration district:Derby
Sub-registration district:St Peter
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece:199
Book:13
Folio:35
Page Number:21
Household Members:NameAge

William Parker 50
Harriet Parker 4 <this is wrong, she is 41 i think
Edwin Parker 17
Emma Parker 15
Ann Parker 11
Charles Parker 8
Fanny Parker 6

As harriet who married 1829 was a widow, it's entirely possible that the man she married was also in that situation

relationships on censuses (not recorded in1841) are to the head of the family. Edwin and Emma may well not have been harriet's children

Isn't there someone on here with a thread offering lookups for Derbyshire PR's?
(I'm pretty sure I've seen one)

According to LSD plus the 1841 and 1851 census returns - I have identified that it is possible that William and Harriet had the following 12 children:
1 - Edwin Parker christening: 18 July 1819 SAINT PETER,DERBY
2 - Emma Parker christening: 8 Oct 1820 SAINT PETER,DERBYdeath: 4 Oct 1821 3 - Emma Elizabeth Parker christening: 27 Mar 1822 SAINT PETER,DERBY
4 - Ann Parker christening: 1 Sep 1823 SAINT PETER,DERBY
5 - Anne Harriete Parker christening: 10 Apr 1825 SAINT Werburgh Derby
7 - Anne Parker christening: 17 Jan 1827 SAINT WERBURGH,DERBY,
8 - Charles Parker christening: 18 Aug 1829 SAINT WERBURGH,DERBY
9- Fanny Parker christening: 13 Jul 1831 SAINT PETER,DERBY
10 - Herbert Parker christening: 16 Jun 1834 SAINT WERBURGH,DERBY
11 - Charles Parker was born c1834 St Werburgh.
12 - Fanny Parker was born c1837 St Werburgh.

As William didn't marry Harriet till 1829 maybe Williams first wife was also a Harriet

Name: Edwin Parker
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 18 Jul 1819
Christening Place: SAINT PETER,DERBY,DERBY,ENGLAND
Father's Name: William Parker
Mother's Name: Harriet

Unless they lived together and couldn't marry till 1829

Is this the thread that you mean Jacqueline?

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1191073

Thanks for the info Chris I have sent Derek a message.

I also posted on Derek's thread last night asking him to look at this thread, as there was information posted on here.