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Helen added a message to an old thread about a different Craddock family

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1266909

'I have a Henry Craddock born about 1841 who lived in Scotland . Was born in England but lived in Scotland after he retired from the army.He was my great grandfather. He is supposed to hav a brother but nobody in the family knows anything about him.'

and I have done a little digging around for her Henry and said I would post it here for her
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this is Henry in 1881 in England
you can see this census here:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQHX-WYS

Name: Henry Craddock
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Agnes Craddock
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Brenenden
County/Island: Kent
Occupation: Sergt Instr Volur (Army Pensioner)
Registration district: Cranbrook

Henry Craddock 40
Agnes Craddock 23
Eliza M. Craddock 3
Henry A. Craddock 1
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and this is the family in 1891 in Scotland

Name: Henry Craddock
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Agnes Craddock
Where born: England
Registration district: Irvine
Civil Parish: Irvine
Town: Irvine
County: Ayrshire
Address: 20 Friars Croft
Occupation: Clerk Timber Merchant

Henry Craddock 49
Agnes Craddock 32 born in Glasgow
Henry A Craddock 11
Ernest R Craddock 9
Alfred W Craddock 6
Lillian A Craddock 5
Minna J Craddock 2
James S Craddock 10 Mo
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this is their marriage

Marriages Jun 1876
Craddock Henry Farnham 2a 116
Richmond Agnes Farnham 2a 116

(Farnham would be because Henry was in the military; possibly Agnes' father was posted there too)

the marriage certificate would show whether Henry named his father when he married, and with his father's name he could be searched for in early censuses
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but ... this is what I am wondering ... if Henry wasn't quite sure where he was born, or generalized his place of birth to a big city as many people did ... Harborne is not 5 miles from Birmingham

1841 in Harborne Staffordshire
you can see his record in this census here:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MQTS-NSY

Name: Henry Craddock
Age: 5 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Harborne
County/Island: Staffordshire
Registration district: Kings Norton

Hannah Mooley 45
John Craddock 65
Jane Craddock 20
Mary Craddock 65
Henry Craddock 5 Mo

(the image is very difficult to read at Ancestry)

so it's quite likely that Henry was the son of Jane, who wasn't married

there is a possible death for a Jane Craddock in Kings Norton reg dist in 1848, also a marriage in early 1851
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and then in 1851

Name: Henry Cradock
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Pauper
Gender: Male
Where born: Herrbon, Worcestershire, England (Harborne)
Civil Parish: Kings Norton
County/Island: Worcestershire
Registration district: Kings Norton

Henry Cradock 9
> Alfred Cradock 7
(and many other people, it is the Union Workhouse)

it would be very common that an orphaned boy who was taken into the workhouse would join the military as your Henry did
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Births Sep 1843
CRADDOCK Alfred Kings Norton 18 402

this could be Henry's brother you have heard about

Kings Norton reg dist covers both Harborne and Smethwick
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I wonder whether this is Alfred in 1861
you can see his record at:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7Y9-BFD

Name: Alfred Craddock
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: 1845
Relation: Boy 2 C (Boy)
Gender: Male
Where born: Smethwick, Staffordshire, England (also very near Birmingham)
Civil Parish: Vessels
Town: Beirut Syria
County/Island: Royal Navy
Registration district: Royal Navy


and this could be Alfred in 1891

Name: Alfred Craddock
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Occupation: Brass Founder
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Registration district: Birmingham

unfortunately he is shown as Single ... this age is out several years but it could be his death as I don't see another likely

Deaths Mar 1895
Craddock Alfred 59 Birmingham 6d 111

otherwise, perhaps Alfred did not make it back to England, or did and died before the next census ...
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this is your Henry's military pension record I think:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5CQ-9WB

just a bit more about John and Mary Craddock and daughter Jane in the 1841 census

Craddock baptisms in Inkberrow with parents John and Mary

http://tinyurl.com/q3rqznv

Eleanor 1807
William 1809
Ann 1811
Henry 1813
Eliz 1815
Sarah 1817
Jane 1820

like clockwork :-)


William in 1861 in Birmingham

Name: William Craddock
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: 1810
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Craddock
Where born: Inkberrow, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Registration district: Birmingham

William Craddock 51
Mary Craddock 44
Joseph Freeman 22 (Freemans are Mary's children)
Henry Freeman 15
Fredrck Craddock 9
Caroline Craddock 4
John Craddock 1


likely Eleanor's marriage to Joseph Knott

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NJ3J-39C

Eleanor in 1861

Name: Eleanor Knott
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: 1808
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph Knott
Where born: Inkberrow, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Powick
County/Island: Worcestershire
Registration district: Upton On Severn

Joseph Knott 54
Eleanor Knott 53
Jane Knott 22
James Knott 19
Frederick W Knott 17



since Henry was an infant in 1841 it is probably unlikely that he was the child of an older child of John and Mary Craddock, Jane being in the household and the most likely parent


of course this may all be info you have already Helen :-)


another member here has all of John and Mary's children in their tree, see the search results here:

http://tinyurl.com/msz8yfu

Possible military record for him on FMP although it doesn't have any details of family that I can see

Occupation on enlistment: Electro Plater
Born Birmingham 1841
Enlisted Plymouth in 1859
Discharged Sunderland 1880
Served almost 21 years (9 1/2 of these in the East Indies)

First name(s) HENRY
Last name CRADDOCK
Birth year 1841
Birth parish BIRMINGHAM
Birth town BIRMINGHAM
Birth county WARWICKSHIRE
Birth country ENGLAND
Service number 3760
Rank COLOR SERGEANT
Regiment Durham Light Infantry - 68th & 106th Foot
Document Type Discharge
Attestation year 1859
Attestation Day 23
Attestation Month 3
Attestation age years 18
Attestation age months -
Discharge Corps 106TH REG OF FOOT
Discharge service number 3760
Series chelsea pensioners british army service records 1760-1913
Box 1928
Box Record Number 22
Record set British Army Service Records 1760-1915

(below possible for 1843 Alfred details above)

Name Craddock, Alfred
Place of Birth: Harborne, Staffordshire
Continuous Service Number: 6412A
Date of Volunteering: 20 July 1863
Date of Birth: 20 July 1845

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7894969

(above although Birth year out!)


West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1843

CRADDOCK Alfred Harborne Sandwell Register Office

(also saw below, in case they relate!)

1848
CRADDOCK Mary H Harborne Sandwell Register Office HAR/7/69

1856
CRADDOCK Amos Harborne Sandwell Register Office HAR/14/400


http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk/

Chris :)

Name: Henry Craddock
Age: 34
Birth Year: abt 1842
Marriage Date: 8 Jun 1876
Archive Provided Parish: Aldershot, St Michael the Archangel
Parish as it Appears: Aldershot
Spouse:
Agnes Richmond
Spouse Age: 18
Father: Henry Craddock, Carpenter
Spouse Father: William Richmond, Soldier
Reference Number: ALDM/2/7


Residence for both Aldershot. Doesn't say either of the fathers are deceased.

Witnesses: JohnJoseph Fitzgerald and Mary Jane Foxley.

A tree on Ancestry has Henry's death 7 Jan 1894 in Irvine, Ayrshire.

Scottish death registrations name the parents including the mother's maiden surname if the informant knows the details.

The Ancestry tree gives his parents as Henry Craddock and Mary Westwood.

I wondered about this family.

1851

Name: Henry Craddock
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Mary Craddock
Gender: Male
Where born: W Hampton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 1i
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 63
Piece: 2018
Folio: 150
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Craddock 33 Widow, occ. Cooper
Henry Craddock 9
Christopher Craddock 4
George Craddock 2
Louisa Dicken 12 Servant
Frederick Dicken 23 Brother in Law

Same family in 1861 but Mary has re-married

Name: Henry Craddock
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: 1842
Gender: Male
Where born: Wenlock, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 40
Piece: 1987
Folio: 100
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bache 35, merchants Packer
Mary Bache 43
Henry Craddock 19, Cooper
Christopher Craddock 14
George Craddock 12

I've just realised Helen sent me her tree permission a few days ago ...

confirms the 1881 and 1891 family I posted up at the beginning
and shows Henry's parents as Henry Craddock and Mary Westwood
and the marriage record rootgatherer posted shows
Father: Henry Craddock, Carpenter

if John and Mary Craddock in the 1841 census I posted were the grandparents of the Henry in question, perhaps his father was their son Henry baptised 1813

the military record for Helen's Henry that Gritty posted that shows him as an electroplater
would be a good match for a brother who was a brass founder in 1891 (Alfred)

the family that rootgatherer posted has a Henry who is a cooper, and he was present in 1861 in the census when Helen's Henry was in the military I believe


my money is still on Henry of Harborne and younger brother Alfred


I will send Helen another PM to ask her to have a look at this thread instead :-)

I can't seem to persuade Helen to come to this thread

her PM


This could be my Henry
The name Henry Alfred has been used a lot in my family I have a cousin Henry Alfred, my father, grandfather also couple of uncles. I had tried to get this info before my father passed away. I wonder whuch regiment Alfred was in.
Thanks for all your help.


Gritty posted his military record above in the thread Helen :-)
a copy of the original documents can be downloaded at findmypast
(or someone would probably send you a copy if you don't have that subscription, I don't myself)

if you think the Henry & Alfred brothers in the workhouse might be your Henry, getting Alfred's birth certificate could tell you his mother's and possibly father's name

(I am usually suspicious if no trace of a father is found and a man names a father with the same name as himself when he marries especially when far from home ... often that suggests the father is made up, although since your Henry called his father a carpenter maybe he did know his father's details)


I will try again to get Helen to visit the thread!