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Happy with the success of your previous help I am keen to find more info on another family, the Crowthers. Looking through FreeBMD for the period there are quite a few about but Emily, as below, is the only one of the period:-

Births Jun 1846
Crowther Emily Leeds
23 532

Can anybody see her with family in 1851 please?

Many thanks,
Frances

This one ?


Name:
Emily Crowther

Age:4
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1847

Relation:Daughter

Father's Name:John Crowther

Mother's name:Hannah Crowther

Where born:
Woodhouse, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish:
Leeds

John Crowther 34
Hannah Crowther 32
Carahan Crowther 9 ... daughter ( could be Caroline )
Jane Crowther 8
Emily Crowther 4
Ann Crowther 1

I have found Emily getting married in 1866 and wondered if there is any significance to CE31/130 and where might one find it?

Marriages Dec 1866
Thompson John W Leeds
9b 687

CROWTHER Emily Leeds
9b 687


CROWTHER Emily THOMPSON John W St Mary, Quarry Hill Leeds CE31/130

Living away from home in 1861

Name:
Emily Crowther

Age:14

Estimated Birth Year:1847

Relation:Servant

Where born:
Leeds, Yorkshire, England


Thomas Percy Walker 32
Mary Alice Walker 31
Elizabeth Ann Walker 7
Alice Ellen Walker 3
Thomas Bradshawe Walker 1
Joseph Benjamin Walker 1
Emily Crowther 14

Thank you Mike, her age certainly matches my find

MARRIAGE
Name: Emily Crowther
Spouse: John Ward Thompson
Father: John Crowther
Birth: abt 1846
Marriage: 23 Dec 1866 - Leeds, St Mary, Yorkshire, England

CE31/130 is most likely to be the reference number used by the local records office ( as opposed to the GRO unique ref no.)

Name:
John Ward Thompson - Batchelor, Joiner of Newtown

Birth Year:
abt 1844

Age:22

Marriage or Bann Date:
23 Dec 1866

Parish:Leeds, St Mary

Father's Name:
John Thompson - Inn keeper (deceased)

Spouse's Name:
Emily Crowther (aged 20 ) ...Spinster, Weaver of Cromwell Street

Spouse's Father's Name:
John Crowther - Cloth Dresser

West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910
about Emily Crowther



Name:Emily Crowther
Birth Date:1 May 1846
Parish:Leeds, St Peter
Baptism Date:23 Aug 1846
Father's Name:John Crowther
Mother's name:Hannah Crowther

Andy

Thank you Mike and Andrew. You are most generous with all this extra info on Emily

Using http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/
Yorkshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1866
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CROWTHER Emily THOMPSON John W St Mary, Quarry Hill Leeds CE31/130
Just examples - not known to be related
CROWTHER Ann E THOMPSON Thomas St George, Leeds Leeds CE44/B/98
CROWTHER Jane GREAVES James St Peter, Leeds Leeds CE46/70/476
ANSELL David BOOTH Amelia Jews Synagogue Belgrave Street (The Great Synagogue) Leeds SYN1/37
CLARK Henry E ROWNTREE Rachel M Quaker Meeting House Leeds QUAK/1/97
CLARK Jane A HOLMES Joseph Leeds Registered Building Leeds RB/34/138


It's an unusual format for a local ref.
More typical is a ref like CE46/70/476
Here the 3 elements are:
1) a church code - so CE46 is the code for St Peter, Leeds (& CE31 is the code for St Mary, Quarry Hill)
As one might guess it's a C of E church - pre-1899, only CofE, jews and quakers (plus the registrar) were authorized to keep marr registers, so a registrar would have to attend all other non-conformist marrs with his official rego for the couple to sign (of course, he conducted rego office marrs too).
Post-1898, most non-conformists applied to become authorized (except RCs until the 1980s).
2) a sequence # in the registers for that church
3) an entry # or local page # (usually it's an entry # for marrs so the index can say who wed whom)
I don't know why the St Mary, Quarry Hill didn't have a seq # - maybe it was lightly used, or closed quickly.

Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1846
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
CROWTHER Emily Leeds West Leeds WEST/21/81
Just an example -
CROWTHER Louisa Leeds West Leeds WEST/33/210

The structure of a birth (& death) ref is similar
The main difference is the first code is the subdistrict code for the subdistrict where the event was rego'ed.
For B's & D's, page #s are likely to be used in place of entry #s.
They weren't for those B's - a a local b/d rego has 100 pages & 500 entries.
The registrar's marr rego has 100 pp & 200 entries.
Chuech marr rego's have 250pp & 500 entries.

Thank you mgnv - I have just seen your final post. I will pass on all this to my friend to investigate further

... looks like this could be Caraham (!)...


Name:
Sarah Ann Crowther

Birth Date:
16 May 1842

Parish:
Leeds, St Peter

Baptism Date:
28 Aug 1842

Father's Name:
John Crowther ( cloth dresser ) <<<<<<<

Mother's name:
Hannah Crowther

Thanks Mike. Looks like we will never really know as they don't seem to have registered her, or changed their minds on the name!

There are a few Sarah Ann Crowthers registered in Leeds 1841/42 but be aware that there is a marriage for a John & Hannah in Leeds in 1845 so if it is the right couple, Sarah Ann may have been registered under her mother's maiden name .


Name: John Crowther - Batchelor, Cloth Dresser <<<<
Spouse: Hannah Rawling - Spinster
Father: Abraham Crowther - Cloth Dresser
Marriage: 9 Nov 1845 - Leeds, St Peter, Yorkshire, England
Spouse's Father : Thomas Rawling - Clothier


If you buy a birth cert for Emily, Jane or Ann it would tell you if their mother's maiden name was Rawling

Thanks Mike - the plot thickens! This makes that birth certificate even more important