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I have researched as much as I can from NZ to find where my GGGF was married. His wife was Mary Ann Horn

William Brown was born in 1796 and his family lived in Uxbridge at 103 Windsor St Hillingdon according to 1841 Census. Can somebody please help me

Regards

David Brown
Christchurch NZ

for our help, and infromation .................

is this your family in 1841??


1841 Census

Name: William Brown
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Hillingdon
Hundred: Elthorne
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Uxbridge
Sub-registration district: Uxbridge

Piece: 656
Book: 6
Folio: 16
Page Number: 25

William Brown 45 Gaiter Maker
Mary Brown 35 b.ca 1806, Middlesex
Sophia Brown 8
Frances Brown 7
William Brown 2




First .................. ages for all people over the age of 15 were generally rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 Census (and ONLY on the 1841)

This means that William could have been anywhere between age 45 and 49 .......... or born between 1792 and 1796

Similarly, Mary could have been born anywhere between 1802 and 1806


They are both shown as born in Middlesex, so the odds are good that they would have married in Middlesex.

I do however note that on the 1861 Census, Mary Ann says she was born in Chesham, Buckinghamshire

How did you get Mary Ann's maiden name???


I can find several Mary Ann's marrying William Brown's ......... but no Mary Ann Horn

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm



this is from the Mormon site, familysearch

https://familysearch.org/search


There is no image to check :-(



England Marriages, 1538–1973

Name: William Brown
Spouse's Name: Mary Horn
Event Date: 30 Jan 1832
Event Place: Fulmer,Buckingham,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M13025-2 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 1042383



same record from ancestry



England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 about William Brown

Name: William Brown
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 30 Jan 1832
Marriage Place: Fulmer,Buckingham,England
Spouse: Mary Horn
FHL Film Number: 1042383

Yes I agree with everything you say.This is all correct except evidence of marriage.

Mary Ann Horn is on copy of Birth Certificate I have obtained by relatives in our family tree family from GRO Uxbridge 1998. She is Mother and Father is William Brown. Son is William Whitehouse Brown who later came to NZ. Our tree did not go back before W W Brown so I am trying to explore back as far as I can

Findmypast also shows Mary Ann Brown in England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 vol 3A page 17

Thank you very much for your reply :-)

Deaths Sep 1882 (>99%)
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Brown Mary Ann 81 Uxbridge 3a 17

(reference Death)

Chris :)


1881 (Find My Past)
Mary A Brown Head Widow Female 80 1801 - Chesham Bois, Buckinghamshire, England
Frances Pusey Visitor Married Female 45 1836 - Uxbridge, Middlesex, England
Street Almshouses
Parish Uxbridge
County Middlesex
Registration district Uxbridge
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 1333
Folio 48
Page 31

(if her)


London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980 (Ancestry)
Name: Mary Ann Brown
Record Type: Burial
Age: 81
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Death Date: abt 1882
Burial Date: 11 Jul 1882
Burial Place: St Margaret, Uxbridge, England
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Margaret, Uxbridge
Borough: Hillingdon
Register Type: Parish Register
(Abode, Uxbridge)

Since Chesham & Fulmer are both in Bucks, there's 2 ways to get a copy of the marr entry.
Firstly, you can go via the Bucks record office (who hold the original parish rego's):
http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/leisure-and-culture/centre-for-buckinghamshire-studies/

Secondly, you can rent FS's film of the rego to view at any FS FHC.
There's a link in the bottom left of the web page https://familysearch.org/ to find a nearby FS FHC.

Obviously you need to know which film(s) to rent.
Well, Sylvia's post gives the film #.
You can see what's on this film by doing a catalog search at https://familysearch.org/catalog-search for the film # 1042383 and see:

Parish registers for Fulmer, 1658-1882
Authors:Church of England. Parish Church of Fulmer (Buckinghamshire) (Main Author)
Format: Manuscript/Manuscript on Film
Language: English
Publication: Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1982
Physical: on 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm. Add to Print List
Notes
Microfilm of original records in the Buckinghamshire Record Office.

Film Notes (This family history center has 1 of 1 films/fiche.)
Note Location Collection/Shelf Film/DGS
General registers (baptisms, 1658-1812; marriages, 1688-1754; burials, 1658-1812); baptisms, 1813-1881; marriages and banns, 1754-1812; marriages, 1813-1837; and banns, 1823-1882. Family History Library British Film 1042383 Items 1 - 6


Fulmer is 5km W of Uxbridge, across the M25.
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3195252


You could also do a place search for Chesham. Here it seems that all FS filmed were the BTs (and the marrs).
[The Bishop's Transcripts are the church's own back-up copy, but there are some gaps here - I don't know why they didn't film the parish registers - maybe they no longer exist - you'ld have to check the BRO]

Bishop's transcripts for Chesham, 1576-1841
Authors:Church of England. Parish Church of Chesham (Buckinghamshire) (Main Author)
Format: Manuscript/Manuscript on Film
Language: English
Publication: Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1995
Physical: on 3 microfilm reels ; 35 mm. Add to Print List
Notes
Microfilm copy of original at the Buckinghamshire Record Office in Aylesbury, England.
Buckinghamshire Record Office call no.: D/A/T/42-46.

Film Notes (This family history center has 3 of 3 films/fiche.)
Note Location Collection/Shelf Film/DGS
Baptisms, marriages, burials, 1575, 1600, 1602, 1605-1606, 1609-1613, 1615-1628, 1632-1639, 1662, 1664, 1671-1682. Baptisms, marriages, burials, 1683-1688, 1690-1697, 1699-1720. Family History Library British Film 1999161 Items 5 - 6
Baptisms, marriages, burials, 1720-1755. Baptisms, marriages, burials, 1756-1764. Family History Library British Film 1999162
Baptisms, marriages, burials, 1764-1766, 1768-1781, 1783-1791, 1794. Baptisms, marriages, burials, 1795-1798, 1800-1804, 1806-1807, 1809-1838, 1840-1841. Family History Library British Film 1999163 Items 1 - 2


http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3267120

Do you have William W's baptism, or rather baptisms as he seems to have been baptised twice - same church, same parents, same father's occupation and even the same vicar:

Name:William Whitehouse Brown
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:30 Apr 1839
Father's Name:William Brown
Mother's name:Mary Ann Brown
Parish or Poor Law Union:Uxbridge St Margaret
Borough:Hillingdon
Register Type:Parish Registers



Name:William Whitehouse Brown
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:2 Jun 1839
Father's Name:William Brown
Mother's name:Mary Ann Brown
Parish or Poor Law Union:Uxbridge St Margaret
Borough:Hillingdon
Register Type:Parish Registers

The images are available on Ancestry.

Fantastic research. Much appreciated. Im off to see the mormons :-)

Baptism

Have no idea why there were two and don't have any certificates?

I looked at the images of the two baptisms, and there is no difference between them, not even a date of birth as many vicars add

Father's occupation is shown as Gaiter Maker on both of them

I thought there might be a notation by the entry such as PB, indicating Private Baptism ............... which would have been an indication that the baby was not expected to survive.

It is not uncommon to see a later baptism in church after a PB if the baby has lived.


but no such indication.


It is going to be very difficult to get a baptism certificate ............. mostly all you get is the Parish Register entry. A certificate of some sort might have been given to the parents at the time of the baptism.

Even people still alive are having difficulty finding evidence of baptisms showing their godparents' names.

If you have the actual birth certificate, you could check and see if the birth date is very close to that first baptism. If that is the case, then one might assume that he had been sickly, and not expected to survive.


If you do not have the birth certificate, just information from it, then it might worth buying a copy for yourself ..............

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: William Whitehouse Brown
Registration Year: 1839
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Uxbridge
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3
Page: 289


The certificate will cost £9.25, post and packing included, anywhere in the world, from GRO

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/


you have to register, but it is free. They ask "do you have the GRO reference number?"

Answer "Yes" ................. it is that set of numbers at the end of the entry (Volume 3 Page 289)


Never pay any more than £9.25! Some sites will charge you as much as £20 for the privilege of buying a certificate through them.

At the end of the day I want to find the names of Williams parents and where they came from

Thanks for your help

According to William 1839 siblings marriages their father was also William Whitehouse Brown a Tailor.

Frances Brown married 3 times
Sophia married 3 times.

Maryb.

Unknown, if you do not have access to Ancestry, I can PM you the baptism images.

Maryb, where did you find Frances and Sophia's marriages?

On Ancestry.

Mary Ann Brown on 1881 census with visitor Frances Pusey(nee Brown)

Frances Brown married James Stevens 25/12/1870
Frances Stevens married Henry Johnson 4/2/1877
Frances Johnson married Amos Pusey 19/10/1879
All 3 naming father William Whitehouse Brown a tailor

Sophia Brown married Henry Snell 1852
Sophia Snell married Charles Peachey 27/8/1855
Sophia Peachey married James Bailey 30/10/1865.
Again all 3 naming father as William Whitehouse Brown a tailor.

Maryb.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=673306.9

(somebody with above!)

Chris :)

Most (all?) of the greater London parishes have archived their registers at the London Metropolitan Archives, and these are available on Ancestry, e.g.:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1558
[with some of the related collections as links in the right column]

London, England, Non-conformist Registers, 1694-1921
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1906

Uxbridge is in Hillingdon borough.
In Hillingdon, the M25 is very close to the historic Middx-Bucks border.



I didn't look up Chesham Bois, which was a separate parish abt 2km SSE of Chesham.

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/125713