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Tim

If you want help with Hythe area, if you would like to send me a PM (personal message) by clicking on my name and sending a direct reply, I will do my best to help.
I travelled along Seabrook Road this afternoon and know that Folkestone library hold old electoral lists for this area.

An address and timeframe and any other details which may useful will help.

Gwyn

yes good ones AustinQ and PricklyHolly!

Nessie's death in Australia

26577/1966
BOWDEN NESSIE MAY L
father ALBERT EDWARD
mother ELIZA JANE
district ST LEONARDS

Marriages Sep 1886
DEVEY Albert Edward Potterspury 3b 63
HOLTON Eliza Jane Potterspury 3b 63

Good finds re Nessie!

This looks to be a significant date perhaps?

Sydney Bowden
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: Sydney Bowden
Birth Date: abt 1898
Age: 33
Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia
Arrival Date: 11 Dec 1931
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Sydney
Ship Name: Moldavia
Search Ship Database: Search for the Moldavia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Peninsula and Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 145973

Sydney Smith Bowden in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name:Sydney Smith Bowden
Registration Year:1898
Registration Quarter:Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district:West Derby
Inferred County:Lancashire
Volume:8b
Page:495



Marriages Sep 1922 (>99%)
BOWDEN Sydney S Devey Cardiff 11a 925
Devey Nessie M L Bowden Cardiff 11a 925




Sydney Bowden in the Web: UK, WWII Medals Issued to Merchant Seamen, 1939-1945
Name:Sydney Bowden
Birth Date:24 Aug 1898 <<<<<<
Service:1939-1945
Medal Issued/Claimed:1946-2002
Discharge Number:R98122
URL:http://discovery.nationalarchi...

Sydney Smith Bowden in the Web: UK, Campaign Medals Awarded to WWI Merchant Seamen, 1914-1925
Name:Sydney Smith Bowden
Birth Date:1898
Birth Place:Seaforth
Year Issued:1914-1925
URL:http://discovery.nationalarchi...

Many thanks Rambling Rose and JoonieCloonie for your remarkable efforts. Lots to look at there. I'm working my way through Stoke on Trent adoption service in pursuit of dad's adoption records.

Tim

Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription

name(s) MRS NESSIE BOWDEN
Gender Female
Age 36
Birth year 1888
Occupation HOUSEWIFE
Departure19 June 1924
Departure port LONDON
Destination port SYDNEY
Destination SYDNEY
State New South Wales
Country AUSTRALIA
Destination country AUSTRALIA
Ship name BENDIGO

travelling with Betty Bowden aged 5.
Last UK address: The School House, Wolverton, Bucks

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Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
Name: Nessie May Laura Bowden
Name: Sydney Smith Bowden (Occ: Steward)
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1930
Subdistrict: Crow's Nest
State: New South Wales
District: North Sydney
Country: Australia
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Australia Cemetery Index, 1808-2007
Name: Nessie M L Bowden
Death Age: 79
Birth Date: abt 1887
Death Date: 27 Jul 1966
Cemetery: Northern Suburbs
Section: Crematorium
Cemetery Location: Macquarie Park, New South Wales
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Birth?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index
Name: Laura Nessie M Devey
Registration Year: 1887
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Newport Pagnell
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
Volume: 3a Page: 735

As Joonie has said, there does look like a previous marriage for Sydney, I was looking last night and could not find her birth,death or remarriage either. Will take another look today.

and just to confirm the Hart/Bowden marriage ... since your Marion would have been over 40 when she married, to make sure the husband in that marriage was of a similar age

Name: Sydney Smith Bowden
> Birth Date: 24 Aug 1899
Date of Registration: Feb 1988
Age at Death: 88
Registration district: New Forest
Inferred County: Hampshire, New Forest
Volume: 20
Page: 460

he was likely previously married, in 1922

I can't see a birth or death (or previous marriage) for his first wife (also no children with mother's surname as hers) so can't be sure, but the common reason for a late marriage like that is that one of the spouses was already married and they couldn't remarry until the first spouse died

info sent by PM re 1939

Tim, I have sent a message ( see messages top of page), it's just a possible marriage for one of the children born to Bowden /Hart, I'd suggest checking out as much as you can to try and confirm we have the right Marion ( you could buy the marriage cert of Bowden/ Marion Hart perhaps to check age and father's details) before considering whether to try and make contact or not.

There are several Bowden /Hart births in the New Forest prior to the marriage date and one after ( on freebmd.org.uk) but no other couple marrying with those names to account for births, so it may be worth looking into.

Marion Ada Bowden's death...would be round about the right birthdate


England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) MARION ADA
Last name BOWDEN
Gender Female
Birth day 7
Birth month 8
Birth year 1904
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1975
District NEW FOREST
County Hampshire
Volume 20
Page 0396
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

There's a possibility that john E born 1912 married in the Hampshire area, there is a match for the name and that of his wife in the same district where Olga is,

and there's this which I am just checking out

Marriages Dec 1946 (>99%)
Bowden Sydney S Hart New Forest 6b 807
Hart Marion A Bowden New Forest 6b 807

Appears to be a George H Burrows ( following the principle that the reg numbers run consecutively in each household)

Burrows Household
New Forest R.D., Hampshire, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) BIRTH YEAR
George H Burrows 1873
2 more people on this record
Ref: RG101/2390I/011/37

The other person listed does not seem to be a Burrows?

I'm stunned and very grateful and I clearly have a lot to learn!!

I will look at the 1939 register for Olga and see who the other two are.

Thank you all

Tim

This may help

http://www.adoptionsearchreunion.org.uk/NR/rdonlyres/8CCDA125-7722-4452-BAB3-6CD9205BC987/64/ASR_QandA_for_descendants_of_adopted_people.pdf

You might( assuming that the Marion on the 1911 is the right one) try looking at the 1939 register, it's mistranscribed but right person i am sure, mother Olga is now in Hampshire...it is possible that the Burrows household accounts for the 2 others there though.

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION (PREVIEW)
Burrows Household
New Forest R.D., Hampshire, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) BIRTH YEAR
Olga L E Kart 1883
2 more people on this record
Ref: RG101/2390I/011/38

there are a few marion a hart marriages so might be hard to find the right one

Seems there was another child to the Hart/Burdett marriage after 1911

Births Mar 1912 (>99%)
Hart John E Burdett Leicester 7a 521

IF......the Marion Ada Hart, who was born in Leicester in 1904 is the mother of your father, this is her parents marriage.......


Marriages Mar 1904 (>99%)
Bloxam Robert Percy Leicester 7a 286
Forder Charlotte Leicester 7a 286
HANDFORD George Henry Leicester 7a 286
HART Charles Edward Leicester 7a 286 <<<<<<<
Hurst Ada Annie Leicester 7a 286

As you can see, a female spouse is missing from the entry.

Here she is..........


Marriages Mar 1904 (>99%)
Burdett Olga Louisa E Leicester 7a 296



Births Mar 1883 (>99%)
Burdett Olga Louisa E Billesdon 7a 31




Olga L E Hart in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name:Olga L E Hart
Birth Date:abt 1883
Date of Registration:Dec 1968
Age at Death:85
Registration district:New Forest
Inferred County:Hampshire
Volume:6b
Page:435