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Here is the link to my ancestor DAVID LAW senior who died in Manchester in 1854.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=QttRAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA166&lpg=PA166&dq=david+law+chethams+manchester&source=bl&ots=nFTKgCTpPZ&sig=1ReHiI6ulovQpSmVDaLgwf-l9cs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjRzoLypo_NAhVLJMAKHeKDBZ8Q6AEIUDAH#v=onepage&q=david%20law%20chethams%20manchester&f=false

I am searching for his will and/or probate records and would be very grateful if you could find it or steer me in the right direction.

Apparently I have reached the limit of my viewing for that book :-S :-S

I note that it for Chethams School in manchester, but this is his deatyh registration .......

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915

Name: David Law
Registration Year: 1854
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 18


DISREGARD this ..... see below!

Now that's VERY interesting. It would seem that he didn't die in Manchester at all. Hmmmmmmmmm, what was he doing in NuT??

I'll try to find time to poke around a bit more for this one before my hols tomorrow.

Assuming it is him, how do I go about finding his Will/Probate records, please? I only have ancestry and this date is too early for their records.

Either way, I will order his DC and try to glean more info from that. :-S

I googled

David Law entered the school in January 1789, son of David Law, innkeeper, Manchester.

Land surveyor, then brewer, but "engaged in no business for many years before his death".

He died 20th December 1854


????? Maybe the death registration I posted above is NOT him????


I've entered this because his death occurred before the Probate Clendar began ......

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

you might have to search through ......

UK, Extracted Probate Records, 1269-1975

Abstracts of probate acts in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury

just poking around!!

According to that book, he married Margaret Dudley, and had 3 sons and 2 daughters, and had a younger brother John who entered Chethams in 1792

This looks like both him and his brother in 1841

1841 Census

Name: David Law
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1781
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Manchester
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Deansgate

Piece: 569
Book: 2
Folio: 7
Page Number: 10

Henry Ball 24
John Roberts 29
John Riley 25
Jas A Donaldson 23
Jno S Verso 27
Jno Trotter 30
Ann Trotter 26
Mary Trotter 1 6 Mo
>>>> David Law 60 Independent
>>>> Margt Law 54
>>>> John Law 56 Independent
>>>> Sarah Law 48
Sarah Thornley 16
Cain Brocks 18
Jno Hampshire 25
Geo Willows 30
Chas Blakeley 24
John Brown 22
Peter Brown 21
Jas Obrien 20

Address:- 37 Hardman Street

ALL the people above are shown at the same address, with no separation into households, yet most are tradesmen and professionals, or Independent.

http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/data/neisearch.php
Only lists a David Law, Master Mariner with a Probate in 1799.
Further reading about the collection
https://www.dur.ac.uk/library/asc/collection_information/cldload/?collno=49

The Wills and Probate site only starts from 1858 although there is always a possibility that Probate wasn't granted until then.
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

Are you sure that he actually left a Will, or are you assuming? Contact Newcastle Archive to see if they can suggest where you could look
https://twarchives.org.uk/
...........

If David Law was living in Manchester at the time of his death, then try
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/448/archives_and_local_history/462/family_history/8

???????????

from lancsbmd .........

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1853
Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
LAW David 75 Deansgate Archives+, Manchester Central Library DEA/37/236

That looks close to his age AND place where his death might be registered

freebmd version .........

Deaths Dec 1853 (>99%)
Law David Manchester 8d 139



wonder why it didn't come up on ancestry???????

http://tinyurl.com/hkvweb6 Lancashire CC Archives Catalogue

Probate Record
Date 30th Jul 1842
Testator: David Law
of , Manchester
Gentleman
Comments: none
Contents: Administration Bond

Might relate to his father??

FMP is showing no probate records for David Law died 1853/4

Would/could probate have been delayed until his wife Margaret died?????

Trying to get an idea of Margaret's dob, other than 1841 where she was said to be age 54 which = ca 1787

from freereg .................

County Staffordshire
Place Stafford
Church name St Mary
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 1643
Marriage date 11 Mar 1802
Groom forename David
Groom surname LAW
Groom condition bachelor
Groom parish Manchester, Lancaster
Bride forename Margaret
Bride surname DUDLEY
Bride age minor
Bride condition spinster
Bride parish Stafford
Witness Margaret PILSBURY
Witness John PHILLIPS
Register note By Licence. Bride was a minor, married with consent of her father. Groom signed as David Law Junior.

???? Margaret's baptism ........... this would make her ca 20 when she married

County Staffordshire
Place Uttoxeter
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 2544
Baptism date 10 Jul 1782
Person forename Margaret Ford
Person sex F
Mother forename Mary
Mother surname DUDLEY
Witness
Witness
Register note Illegitimate
Transcriber notes




does this help in finding her death and / or probate?????????

David was horrifically injured in 1851 - there is an article in the Preston Chronical but it is far to long to type out.

If you have access to FMP it can be found here:

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0000099%2f18510329%2f005#######
Preston Chronicle 29 March 1851


security. The action went by default, and a verdict was given to the amount claimed. ACCIDENT FaOM NAPrHA.-The plaintiff, Mr. David Law, resided at Manchester, and the defendant, Mr. Harry lawson (of the firm of Johnson and Rawson, stationers), was a director
29 March 1851 - Preston Chronicle - Preston, Lancashire, England

No doubt why he 'engaged in no business for many years before his death'...

Dea x

Staffordshire Advertiser 13 March 1802
MARRIED.
On Thursday last, at St Mary's Church, in this town, Mr. David Law, of Manchester
to Miss Margaret Dudley, youngest daughter of Mr. Dudley of this?
Foregate-Street.


Staffordshire Advertiser 24 October 1846
DIED:
On Sunday the 18th inst., aged 64 years, universally esteemed
and regretted, Margaret, wife of Mr. David Law, Manchester and
daughter of the late Mr. William Dudley, of Stafford.


Dea x

Here is the full article.

http://tinyurl.com/jybwhwj

It is on page 2 under South Lancashire Assizes.

hmmmmmmm

the report of the accident in the Liverpool Mail 29 March 1851, said that

"...... he was as fine a specimen of an old English gentleman as could be seen, which might be attributed to the fact, that although for many years he had kept a public-house, he had always abstained from the use of intoxicating liquors; he was always a man of literary habits."

The Bolton Chronicle paper said he was "nearly 75 years of age" at the time; the Liverpool Mail called him "a gentleman about 70 years of age".

There are reports in at least 9 newspapers.

You have all found out SO MUCH about my ancestor and thank you very much.

It is David Law junior's younger brother JOHN LAW [known as 'Jack'] who is my direct ancestor and we have portraits of him and other information. So David Law senior is their father.

We've been tied up with family all day until just now and we're away very early in the morning. So I won't be able to get back to this for c.two weeks :-(.

I haven't been able to access those links to 'the accident' but can't wait to tackle this on our return.

PS: the Chetham's Register gives his dod as December 1854, which is almost certainly a year later than the actuality, see your search above for his death in Manchester in 1853 which is where I would expect it to be.

Big thank you again.
I'LL BE BACK. :-D

Have a safe trip, and a great holiday :-D

We'll all still be here :-D :-D

Index To Death Duty Registers 1796-1903 (Find My Past)
(Discover your English and Welsh ancestors who left estates that incurred an inheritance tax.)

(above has David Law, 1842, Ann Law named as Administrator, Johnsons Buildings, Cheetham)


Deaths Sep 1842 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------
LAW David Manchester 20 435


Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1842

LAW David 39 Cheetham Archives+, Manchester Central Library


07 July 1842 - Liverpool Mail - Liverpool, Merseyside, England

Death
On the 5th instant, Mr. David Law. jun.. solicitor, of Cheetham-hill, near Manchester, aged 40 years.


Baptism
County Lancashire
Place Manchester
Church name Manchester Cathedral
Register type Unspecified
Baptism date 9 Feb 1803
Person forename David
Person sex M
Father forename David
Father surname LAW
Mother forename Margaret

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Chris :)


http://tinyurl.com/jeqwjun

(Nostalgia: Looking back at Chetham's through the years with photo)


(perhaps other David never left a Will, does say in article 'but for many years before his death, engaged in no business'


http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/wills-1384-1858/

(not showing on above, these also on Ancestry)


(would be best to try below, as posted by Detective earlier)

http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/448/archives_and_local_history/462/family_history/8


England Deaths and Burials 1538-1991 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) David
Last name Law
Gender Male
Event year 1842
Burial year 1842
Burial date 09 Jul 1842
Burial place St. Luke'S, Cheetham, Lancashire, England
Place Cheetham
County Lancashire


First name(s) David
Last name Law
Gender Male
Event year 1853
Birth year 1778
Age at death 75y
Burial year 1853
Burial date 24 Dec 1853
Burial place Cheetham, Lancashire, England
Cemetery Parish Of Manchester St. Lukes Cheetham
Residence Deansgate
Place Cheetham
County Lancashire



01 November 1862 - Leeds Mercury - Leeds, West Yorkshire, England

Death
Oct. 24th, aged 57, Ann, relict of Mr. David Law, solicitor. of Cheetham-hill, Manchester.


edits (are things adding up here?, something not looking right!, unless below not relating to David who died 1842 mentioned in article posted earlier)


1841 (Find My Past)

Davd Law Male 35 1806 Lancashire, England (Soliciitor)
Ann Law Female 35 1806 Lancashire, England
Margaret Law Female 4 1837 Lancashire, England
Jane Law Female 2 1839 Lancashire, England
Robert Law Male 1 1840 Lancashire, England
Mary Barlow Female 20 1821 Lancashire, England
Street Fountain Street Johnson Buildings
Town Crumpsall
County Lancashire
Registration district Manchester
Archive reference HO107
Piece number581
Book number 2
Folio number 6
Page number 4

I'm still here.
Just snowed under, but on the trail of that Will I think.
Will report back, of course.
Thank you in the meantime.
:-)