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In 1920 Alice Brown was returning ‘home’ to Canada. Well when did they go to Canada in the first place and where were they in 1939?
Alice was born Alice Ball in 1877 in Exeter, Devon and married William Edwin in 1898 in Exeter. He was also born in Exeter and in 1911 was a Ironmongers Smith and in 1920 was a ‘fitter’

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1249572

(is that them travelling on above?)

Chris :)

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Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924
about William Edwin Brown
Name: William Edwin Brown
Gender: Male
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Birth Place: Exeter, England
Age: 45
Date of Arrival: Nov 1920
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Ship Name: Scandanavian


(seems to relate to 'Outgoing Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960' Transcription (Find My Past and Ancestry) as below...

First name(s) ALICE
Last name BROWN
Gender Female
Age 43
Birth year 1877
Marital status M
Occupation WIFE
Departure year 1920
Departure day 15
Departure month 11
Departure port LIVERPOOL
Destination port MONTREAL
Destination MONTREAL
Country CANADA
Destination country
CANADA
Ship name SCANDINAVIAN
Ship official number109441
Ship master's first name R G
Ship master's last name LATTA
Shipping line CANADIAN PACIFIC RAILWAY ATLANTIC STEAMSHIP LINE
City LIVERPOOL
Ship destination port MONTREAL
Ship destination country CANADA
Ship registered tonnage7729
Number of passengers 468

(going back through images, Departure was from Southampton, Liverpool crossed through, and Date of Departure as 29th October 1920)

Possible for William (just after 1911 census)

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Wm Edwin Brown
Gender: Male
Age: 36
Birth Year: abt 1875
Date of Arrival: 24 May 1911
Vessel: Royal George
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure: Avonmouth, England
Married
Destination (Montreal crossed through) Toronto, Ont.
Occupation: Whitesmith

A tree on Ancestry has Alice's death abt 1960 Toronto and William's death in 1967 Toronto. I'm not sure what you mean when you asked where are they in 1939- do you think they weren't in Canada?

Possibly Alice travelling after William:

Name: Alice Brown
Gender: Female
Age: 34
Birth Year: abt 1877
Date of Arrival: 21 Jun 1911
Vessel: Royal George
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure: Bristol, England
Married
Destintation: Toronto, Ont.
Going to Husband

The family in 1921:

Alice Brown

in the 1921 Census of Canada
Record Image View

Name: Alice Brown
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Age: 44
Birth Year: abt 1877
Birth Place: England
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Brown
Father Birth Place: England
Mother Birth Place: England
Year of Immigration: 1900
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Province or Territory: Ontario
District: Toronto North
District Number: 132
Sub-district: Ward 5
Sub-District Number: 52
City, Town or Village: Toronto North (ward 5)
Street or Township: 1025 Shaw St
Municipality: Ward 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Brown 46
Alice Brown 44

Although the transcription says that they both immigrated in 1900 I think the original says 1911.

Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
Ball Alice Exeter 5b 136
Brown William Edwin Exeter 5b 136

Births Mar 1875 (>99%)
Brown William Edwin Exeter 5b 101

Maybe
Births Jun 1877 (>99%)
BALL Alice Exeter 5b 112

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Ship:ROYAL GEORGE
Shipping Line:Canadian Northern Steamship Ltd.
Port of Departure: Avonmouth, England
Date of Departure: 1911-05-07
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Que. Montreal, Que.
Date of Arrival: 1911-05-24 1911-05
Year:1911
Microfilm Reel Number:T-4776
Reference:RG 76
Item Number:5604
http://data2.archives.ca/e/e143/e003569599.jpg
[Just Wm Edwin - a whitesmith, bound for Toronto]

It wasn't at all unusual for the man (or an adult son) to go out first and get things like jobs, housing, etc, sorted, and the rest of the family to follow on later.
Anyway, it looks like Wm was in Canada on 1/6/1911 (nominal census day) and Alice was still in the UK.
However, Canada didn't do a good job of capturing people not at home, or having no home.

Given Name(s):Alice
Surname:Brown
Age:34
Ship:ROYAL GEORGE
Port of Arrival:Quebec City
Date of Arrival:1911-06-00
Year of Arrival:1911
Microfilm Reel Number:T-4777
Reference:RG 76
Item Number:3314646
http://data2.archives.ca/e/e143/e003570969.jpg
[TO HUSBAND is stamped across cols 9-11, she's bound for Toronto]

More details:
Ship:ROYAL GEORGE
Shipping Line:Canadian Northern Steamship Ltd.
Port of Departure: Avonmouth/Bristol, England
Date of Departure: 1911-06-14
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Que. Montreal, Que.
Date of Arrival: 1911-06-21 1911-06
Year:1911
Microfilm Reel Number:T-4777
Reference:RG 76
Item Number:5648

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All at 1025 Shaw St

Alice
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform/data2/dm10/d10/006003/t-14972/jpg/30927_2000901302-02651.jpg
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform/data2/dm10/d10/006003/t-14972/jpg/30927_2000901302-02650.jpg
Wm
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform/data2/dm10/d10/006003/t-14974/jpg/30927_2000901304-00290.jpg
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform/data2/dm10/d10/006003/t-14974/jpg/30927_2000901304-00289.jpg

1921 Census of Canada
Province or Territory: Ontario
District: Toronto North
District Number: 132
Sub-district: Ward 5
Sub-District Number: 52
City, Town or Village: Toronto North (ward 5)
Street or Township: 1025 Shaw St
Municipality: Ward 5
Name Age
William Brown 46
Alice Brown 44
[both have pob=England with English parents.
Ancestry says Year of Immigration: 1900, but I read it as 1911 for both.
Wm is a garage fitter]


[1921 image sent by pm]

alice Brown

England and Wales Census, 1901

Name Alice Brown
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Exeter, Devonshire, England
County Devonshire
Civil Parish Exeter
Ecclesiastical Parish St Sidwell
Sub-District Exeter
Registration District Exeter
Gender Female
Age 24
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Birth Year (Estimated) 1877
Birthplace Exeter, Devonshire
Schedule Type 32
Page Number 3



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

William E Brown Head M 24 Exeter, Devonshire
Alice Brown Wife F 24 Exeter, Devonshire

Sorry Chris, I didn't remember asking about them before. :-0

Thanks to AustinQ, MargaretM, mgnv, & malyon, I won't have too ever again! :-)

Thank you people :-D

(lol, no worries, good job I did check that Outgoing, to get correct details!)

Chris :)