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Malcolm also put:

'Harry Cockshaw, born 1883. was a regular soldier in the Rifle Brigade during the years 1901 to 1913 and served throughout WW1 from September 1914 until 1919. I understand that around 1906 the Rifle Brigade were stationed in Ireland. '

so was Mr Healey in prison or Mr Cockshaw?

And why did they move to and from Dartford if Thomas Healey was a farm labourer?

Stanley Healey 1906 1913 (Admission 7/4/1913) Derby British School, Orchard Street School (Later Lancaster Secondary Modern) Infants Derby Admissions (Find My Past)

(on that image, under Occupation for Father, says, In Prison. Name of Last School, Leicester. Address, Bk 22 Goodwin St. Left 9/5/1913. Cause, Out of town)

Chris :)

From a pm from Malcolm

' The only record I can find regarding Stanley Frederick Cockshaw , pre the 1920's, is a school admission record in Derby in 1913 of a Stanley Healey, born 6th Oct 1906, father's name 'Harry' .'

So Harry Cockshaw was acting as father to Stanley before the 1915 wedding?

So can we find them in Derby in 1911, not Dartford and not Leicester, or had they just moved to the area in 1913, so could be anywhere in 1911?

I have looked and looked but can't find any of them on the 1911 either not even Stanely.

No joy finding them in 1911. :-(

Thanks, Kucinta.

I do not understand why it shows on GRO, but when I look at the images from free bmd there is no Healey birth showing for that name, so something has been left off those lists. As the GRO details the mmn, then they are using a different list.

Anyone found any of them in 1911?

I've managed to find an image for the baptism of Stanley Frederick Healey as detailed by patchem, and have pmed it to Malcolm ( Malcolm, just click on 'get attachments' at the end of the message I sent.)

From the GRO website:
HEALEY, STANLEY FREDERICK COLLINS Order
GRO Reference: 1906 D Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 632

Have not managed to find it on free bmd, even when I have looked on images etc

However, I have also asked some friends and they have found Stanley Frederick Healey christened at Holy Trinity Dartford on 29th October 1906 to Thomas and Lilian Healey, Westwood, Southfleet, farm labourer.

Stanley in 1939 register:

Cockshaw Household (4 People) 105 Saffron Lane , Leicester C.B., Leicestershire, England

Stanley F Cockshaw 06 Oct 1906 Male Bus Cleaner Married 167 6
Kate Cockshaw 23 May 1905 Female Unpaid House Duties Married 167 1
Terence A Cockshaw 06 Apr 1929 Male At School Single 167 2
Keith S Cockshaw 05 Mar 1931 Male At School Single 167 3

Plus two closed records.

I am sure that the Lilian Collins born 1880 in Leamington, Warwickshire is the Lily/Lilian Healey who married Harry Cockshaw in 1915 but cannot find any record of a Lily/Lilian Collins marrying a Healey prior to 1915.

I am also trying to trace the birth of Stanley Frederick Cockshaw, born 6th October 1906. I cannot find any record of his birth under the names of Collins, Healey or Cockshaw.

I'm curious about that 1899 date, Malcolm. What have you found on that date?

Please respond on the thread by typing in the box below.

(that 1891 comes up on google search also)

Chris :)

http://www.hunimex.net/warwick/freecens/2475.html

Enumeration District 6
Civil Parish of Whitnash, Eccl. Parish of Whitnash
Folio 57 Page 1

1,Holly Cottage,
Sarah Barlow,Head,W,,40,Laundress,Neither,Whitnash Warwickshire,,
Lily Collins,Niece,,,10,Scholar,,Whitnash Warwickshire,,


Edits (if below related)

21 May 1879 - Coventry Times - Coventry, West Midlands, England

The Education Act.
Joseph Collins, labourer, was summoned for having neglected to send his son. Walter Elward, regularly to school. The Bench made an order for the boy to attend Whitnash School.


http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(some Copeland on above, if anything else)

Malcolm -

If you don't know anything about Lilian after 1899, how do you know she is the same Lilian who married Mr Cockshaw?

Does the Healey / Cockshaw marriage cert say she was previously Collins?

EDIT:

Oh, yes, I see the probate says she was Collins.

Malcolm says that he has her history up to 1899 - so what would she be doing then?

????

Lily Collin
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Lily Collin
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Whitwell, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Whitnash
Ecclesiastical parish: Whitnash
Town: Whitnash
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Warwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2475
Folio: 57
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Barlow 40
Lily Collin 10

1841
Name: Ann Copeland
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Gender: Female
Where born: Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Milverton
Hundred: Knightlow (Kenilworth Division)
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Warwick
Sub-registration district: Leamington
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1135
Book: 20
Folio: 7
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Copeland 35
Ann Copeland 30
Ann Copeland 2

1851

Name: Ann Copeland
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas Copeland
Mother's name: Ann Copeland
Gender: Female
Where born: Leamington, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Whitnash
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address:

Registration district: Warwick
Sub-registration district: Kenilworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 69
Piece: 2073
Folio: 674
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Copeland 43 1808 Staffs Litchfield
Ann Copeland 36 1815 Whitnash, Warwickshire
Ann Copeland 11
William Copeland 9
Sarah Copeland 5
Julia Copeland 2
Emma Copeland 2 Mo

Ann's first marriage

Name: Ann Copeland
Age: 21
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1838
Marriage or Bann Date: 25 Apr 1859
Marriage or Bann Place: Whitnash, Warwickshire, England
Parish: Whitnash
Search Photos: Search for 'Whitnash' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Spouse: William Edwards***************************************
Father: Thomas Copeland ****************

1861

Name: Ann Edwards
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: 1839
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Wm Edwards
Gender: Female
Where born: Leamington, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Whitnash
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Warwick
Sub-registration district: Radford
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 56
Piece: 2227
Folio: 102
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm Edwards 23
Ann Edwards 22
Elizabeth Edwards 1

1871

Name: Ann Edwards
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Edwards
Gender: Female
Where born: Leamington, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Whitnash
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Warwick
Sub-registration district: Radford
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 7
Piece: 3202
Folio: 101
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
William Edwards 38 1833 Wellesbourne, Warwickshire,
Ann Edwards 32
Elizabeth Edwards 11
Authur Edwards 9
Sarah A Edwards 7
Walter Edwards 4
William Edwards 1



Ann's 2nd marriage to Joseph Collins

Name: Ann Edwards
[Ann Copeland]
Gender: Female
Age: 38
Birth Date: 1839
Marriage Date: 23 Sep 1877**************
Marriage Place: Whitnash, Warwick, England
Father: Thomas Copeland
Spouse: Joseph Collins
FHL Film Number: 1067560
Reference ID: 2:3B6TBD2

This has her surname as both Cockshaw and Collins:

Lilian Mary Cockshaw

in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
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Name: Lilian Mary Cockshaw
[Lilian Collins]
Death Date: 21 Feb 1944
Death Place: Nottingham, England
Probate Date: 30 Mar 1944
Registry: Leicester, England

Of 12 Stratford Square, Shakespeare St., Nottingham. Wife of Henry Cockshaw.
Effects £220

Mother's birth

Name: Ann Copeland
Registration Year: 1839
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Warwick
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 16
Page: 478

COPELAND, ANN
Mother maiden name MARSTERS
GRO Reference: 1839 D Quarter in WARWICK UNION Volume 16 Page 478

A tree on ancestry has Mr Healey as Keeley or Keely, with little evidence for any marriage, but then gives her death details as posted above.

Lilian Mary Collins
England and Wales Birth Registration Index
Name
Lilian Mary Collins
Event Type
Birth Registration
Registration Quarter
Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year
1880
Registration District
Warwick
County
Warwickshire
Event Place
Warwick, Warwickshire, England
Volume
6D
Page
562
Line Number
344