Profile | Posted by | Options | Post Date |
|
WhiffingSiggs
|
Report
|
11 Jan 2017 09:36 |
Marriage of Henry looks good and incredibly, the chap that I'm doing this for lives in Alton, Hampshire ! :-)
|
|
Chris Ho :)
|
Report
|
11 Jan 2017 08:43 |
What did you think to Marriage of Henry posted above, Brother of Charles Edward?...
Chris :)
Britain School & University rolls 1914-1918 Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) Charles Edward Smith Last name Harris School / university name University of Edinburgh Narrative MB, ChB 1899. Royal Navy, Surgeon-Lieut, August 1914. H.M. Ships Fearless and Endeavour. Source University of Edinburgh Roll Record of War Service Country Scotland Record set Britain School & University Memorial Rolls 1914-1918 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory First World War
(google bringing up a lot about book)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/...CHARLES-EDWARD-SMITH-HARRIS/s?...2... From The Deep Of The Sea - From The Diary Of Charles Edward Smith, Surgeon of the Whale-Ship Diana, of Hull. 15 Mar 2007. by Charles Edward Smith Harris ...
(reference to Marriage?)
Marriages Sep 1882 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------------ Harris Alfred West Ward 10b 941 SMITH Grace Elizabeth W.Ward 10b 941
|
|
PricklyHolly
|
Report
|
11 Jan 2017 08:35 |
Charles E S Harris in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Charles E S Harris Birth Date: abt 1878 Date of Registration: Dec 1950 Age at Death: 72 Registration district: Worthing Inferred County: Sussex Volume: 5h Page: 693
Charles Edward Smith Harris in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-199 Name: Charles Edward Smith Harris Death Date: 20 Nov 1950 Death Place: Sussex, England Probate Date: 8 May 1951 Registry: London, England
Of 41 Fircroft Avenue, Lancing, Sussex........No widow mentioned on the probate.
|
|
WhiffingSiggs
|
Report
|
10 Jan 2017 22:58 |
On a final note, there was a grandson, Charles Edward Smith, he was born in NZ in 1877 (thank you Chris Ho !) and ended up in England where his father died in 1879. His mother remarried to one Alfred Harris and CES later added Harris to his name. As Charles Edward Smith Harris he became a doctor, was decorated during WW1 and later turned up as a surgeon on Mauretania. (newspaper article 1930) I can find no record of a marriage or children and one possible record of death (Lancing, Sussex, 1950) Can anyone confirm that is his death and there was no wife or children ? Thank you, Kevin.
|
|
WhiffingSiggs
|
Report
|
9 Jan 2017 23:21 |
Yes, I think I've pinned Charles down to 1887, he appeared in the 1881 census aged 80. Something in the back of my mind tells me Essex records can be seen online via their own website, I'll check tomorrow, ta ! My O.P is now translated as the birth of one Charles 1801 (not 1800) and the death of his son Charles in 1879.
|
|
Chris Ho :)
|
Report
|
9 Jan 2017 19:12 |
Where are you looking?...
Chris :)
Deaths Sep 1879 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------------- Smith Charles Edward 41 Witham 4a 210
Death 1879/2307 Smith Frederic Henry 3M
(from below)
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search
(looks like a lot of Family names on below. Find My Past, details would need to be seen at Essex Record Office)
Essex Memorial Inscriptions
Edits
16 September 1879 - Essex Herald - Chelmsford, Essex, England
The remains of Mr. Charles Edward Smith, physician, were interred at the Friends’ burial ground, Coggeshall, Thursday, the 11th inst.
29 May 1846 - Chelmsford Chronicle - Chelmsford, Essex, England
Death 18th inst. deeply regretted, Louisa, the wife of Charles Smith, of Coggeshall, estate agent, and daughter the late Richard Bowman, formerly of the Wapping brewery, London.
(if the Son Henry below)
Marriages Mar 1879 (>99%) --------------------------------------------- JEFFS Margaretta Ely 3b 660 SMITH Henry Ely 3b 660
28 February 1879 - Chelmsford Chronicle - Chelmsford, Essex, England
Marriage On the 15th inst., at the Lady chapel, Ely Cathedral, by the Rev. Canon Bulstrode, Harry Smith, of Ely, Cambridgeshire, youngest son of Charles Smith, of Coggeshall, Essex, to Margarretta. fourth daughter the late William Jeffs, of Piccadilly.
1881 (Find My Past) Harry Smith Head Married Male 37 1844 Licensed Victualler Coggeshall, Essex, England Margaritta Smith Wife Married Female 24 1857 - London, Middlesex, England Harry Smith Son Single Male 1 1880 - Southampton, Hampshire, England Annie Newton Pattison Barmaid Single Female 26 1855 Barmaid Hertfordshire, England Mary Mildred Gibson Waitress Single Female 23 1858 Waitress Dom. Servant Petworth, Sussex, England Annie Money Chamber Maid Single Female 34 1847 Chambermaid Dom Servant Hampshire, England Annie Pharo Cook Single Female 23 1858 Cook Domestic Servant Farnham, Surrey, England Mary Hockley Nursemaid Single Female 16 1865 Nursemaid Dom Serv Alton, Hampshire, England House name Swan Hotel Street High Street Parish Alton County Hampshire Registration district Alton Archive reference RG11 Piece number 1246 Folio 29 Page 5
Births Dec 1879 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------- Smith Male Southampton 2c 43
SMITH, - (JEFFS) GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in SOUTHAMPTON Volume 02C Page 43
04 November 1910 - Chelmsford Chronicle - Chelmsford, Essex, England
DEATH OF MR. FREDERIC SMITH. Mr. Frederic Smith, who was the owner of and formerly resided at Mount Park, Coggeshall, died at his residence at Clacton on Saturday after a protracted illness. He formerly carried on business as a corn merchant at Stratford. The funeral took place yesterday (Thursday) in Cogeshall Cemetery. The deceased was well known and respected in West Ham and South Essex generally. He became a member of the Town Council, on it's formation in 1886, and sat for fifteen years. He was elected to the Aldermanic Bench, and became the fourth Mayor of West Ham.
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
(see Probate Entry, 1911)
05 May 1900 - Essex Newsman - Chelmsford, Essex, England
Death SMITH - On April 26th, inst., at Mount Park,Coggeshall, Anne, the beloved wife of Frederic Smith, J.P., formerly Stratford, in her 65th year.
15 February 1902 - Essex Newsman - Chelmsford, Essex, England
Marriage SMITH—EMMERSON - On the 12th inst, at the Friends Meeting House, Colchester, Frederic Smith, J.P., of Mount Park, Coggeshall, Essex, to Nlna Frances, youngest daughter of the late W. L. Emmerson, M.D. Leicester, formerly of Tynemouth Northumberland.
|
|
WhiffingSiggs
|
Report
|
9 Jan 2017 18:43 |
I'm having trouble with the death of Frederick and the death of Charles senior.
|
|
WhiffingSiggs
|
Report
|
9 Jan 2017 10:41 |
Sounds like a sad end for Charles and family. .
|
|
WhiffingSiggs
|
Report
|
9 Jan 2017 10:31 |
Nice one, thanks !
|
|
Chris Ho :)
|
Report
|
9 Jan 2017 10:14 |
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT18760504.2.6?query=charles edward smith
(Marriage above)
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OAM18791027.2.6?query=charles edward smith
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NOT18790201.2.6?query=charles edward smith
(references to NZ, from below)
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers
Chris :)
Dunedin probate files
SMITH Charles Edward - Otepopo, and Kelvedon, Essex, England - Physician and Surgeon ORDER DETAILS » 1882 1882 Dunedin High Court
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search
Birth 1878/9875 Smith Frederic Henry Grace Elizabeth Charles Edward
Birth 1877/10333 Smith Charles Edward Grace Elizabeth Charles Edward
|
|
PricklyHolly
|
Report
|
9 Jan 2017 10:07 |
Charles Edward Smith in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: Charles Edward Smith Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Registration Year: 1879 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 41 Registration district: Witham Inferred County: Essex Volume: 4a Page: 210
Charles Edward Smith in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995 Name: Charles Edward Smith Death Date: 6 Sep 1879 Death Place: Essex, England Probate Date: 3 Jun 1880 Registry: Principal Registry
Formerley of Otcpopo Otago in New Zealand but late of Kelvedon in the County of Essex Physician who died 6th Sep 1879 at Kelvedon was proved at the Principle Registry by Frederick Smith of Stratford in the said County Corn Merchant the Brother of one of the Executors.
Personal Estate under £1,500
|
|
WhiffingSiggs
|
Report
|
9 Jan 2017 09:17 |
Thank you and well done everyone , particularly Holly, I've been given a tree to look through and I could see anomalies but couldn't suss them out ! Excellent.
|
|
Chris Ho :)
|
Report
|
9 Jan 2017 08:00 |
SMITH, HENRY (BOWMAN) GRO Reference: 1842 D Quarter in WITHAM Volume 12 Page 280
SMITH, CHARLES EDWARD (BOWMAN) GRO Reference: 1837 D Quarter in WITHAM Volume 12 Page 220
(quite a lot of reference, Surgeon on google search, whale ship Diana, and Newspapers)
England & Wales, Society of Friends (Quaker) Births 1578-1841 Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) Frederic Last name Smith Birth year 1830 Birth date 22 Feb 1830 Birth place as transcribed Coggeshall Birth county as transcribed Essex Father's first name(s) Charles (Occ. Baker) Mother's first name(s) Louisa Meeting place Coggeshall Monthly meeting Coggeshall Quarterly meeting Essex
England & Wales, Society of Friends (Quaker) Marriages 1578-1841 (Find My Past)
First name(s) Louisa Last name Bowman Marriage year 1829 Marriage date 23 Apr 1829 Marriage place as transcribed Norwich Marriage parish as transcribed Norwich Marriage county as transcribed Norfolk Father's first name(s) Richard Father's last name Bowman Spouse's first name(s) Charles (Occ. Baker) Spouse's last name Smith Meeting place Norfolk (Son of Peter Smith, late of Great Waltham, and Elizabeth, his wife, surviving)
Marriages Mar 1867 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------- CAMM Anne Witham 4a 349 SMITH Frederic Witham 4a 349
Chris :)
Edits
19 January 1867 - Cambridge Independent Press - Cambridge, Cambridgeshire
Marriage Smith—Camm - Jan. 10, at the Friend's Meeting-house, Coggeshall, Frederic Smith, High-street, Stratford, corn dealer, son of Charles Smith, of Coggeshall, estate-agent, to Anne, daughter the late Thomas Camm, of Selby, Yorkshire.
|
|
PricklyHolly
|
Report
|
9 Jan 2017 00:52 |
Just had a look through the records.....
It was Charles and Louisa's son Charles Edward who was the Surgeon!!
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Church Street, Great Coggeshall, Witham, Essex, England
Charles Smith Head Widower Male 60 1801 Estate Agent Great Waltham, Essex, England Louisa B Smith Daughter Unmarried Female 27 1834 - Essex, England Charles E Smith Son Unmarried Male 23 1838 >>>Medical Student<<< Essex, England Henry Smith Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Estate Agent Essex, England Sarah Bush Servant Unmarried Female 21 1840 House Servant Essex, England
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription The Green, Dalston, Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Paul Moffatt Head - Male 33 1838 - Northumberland, England Isabella Moffatt Wife - Female 32 1839 - Northumberland, England Charles E Moffatt Son - Male 2 1869 - Cumberland, England Juliet J Moffatt Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Cumberland, England Louis M Moffatt Son - Male 0 1871 - Cumberland, England Charles E Smith Boarder - Male 33 1838 - Essex, England ASSISTANT SURGEON Ann Vipond Nurse - Female 63 1808 - Lancashire, England Sarah Maxwell Servant - Female 21 1850 - Cumberland, England Margaret Graham Servant - Female 16 1855 - Cumberland, England Andrew Morton Servant - Male 40 1831 - Northumberland, England
Night! ;-)
|
|
PricklyHolly
|
Report
|
9 Jan 2017 00:13 |
The 1871 posted above......states father Charles is an Estate Agent.
Edit: I have found what i think is the above Charles on the 1861 and 1851 census records and he still an Estate Agent.
Charles Smith in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995 Name: Charles Smith Death Date: 5 Apr 1887 Death Place: Essex, England Probate Date: 14 May 1887 Registry: Ipswich
The Will with a Codicil of Charles Smith formerley of Great Coggeshall in the County of Essex........Estate Agent
Proved by Frederick Smith of High Street, Statford, in the County Essex.......Corn Merchant and Henry Smith of Tunbridge Wells...Boarding House Proprietor.
Personal Estate......£259 11s
Will check back on here tomorrow.
Prickles. o))
|
|
safc
|
Report
|
9 Jan 2017 00:11 |
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription High Street, West Ham, Essex, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Frederic Smith Head - Male 31 1840 - Essex, England Transcription Ann Smith Wife - Female 35 1836 - Yorkshire, England Transcription Frederic C Smith Son - Male 3 1868 - Essex, England Transcription Caroline Smith Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Essex, England Transcription Charles Smith Father - Male 70 1801 - Essex, England Transcription Martha Caunn Sister-In-Law - Female 30 1841 - Yorkshire, England Transcription Frederick Edwards Assistant - Male 25 1846 - Buckinghamshire, England Transcription Elizabeth Shaw - - Female 22 1849 - Cambridgeshire, England
frederick 1840 is a corn merchant
|
|
safc
|
Report
|
9 Jan 2017 00:07 |
SMITH, FREDERIC CHARLES CAMM Order GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in WEST HAM UNION Volume 04A Page 11
|
|
safc
|
Report
|
9 Jan 2017 00:05 |
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Romford Road, West Ham, Essex, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Anne Smith Wife Married Female 55 1836 - Brayton, Yorkshire, England Transcription Frederic C Smith Son Single Male 23 1868 Corn Merchant West Ham, Essex, England Transcription Caroline Smith Daughter Single Female 20 1871 - West Ham, Essex, England Transcription Henry B Smith Son - Male 16 1875 Corn Merchant West Ham, Essex, England Transcription Ellen Daines Servant Single Female 22 1869 Domestic Servant Bawdsey, Suffolk, England
|
|
PricklyHolly
|
Report
|
9 Jan 2017 00:01 |
??
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Romford Road, West Ham, Essex, England
Anne Smith Wife Married Female 55 1836 - Brayton, Yorkshire, England Frederic C Smith Son Single Male 23 1868 Corn Merchant West Ham, Essex, England Caroline Smith Daughter Single Female 20 1871 - West Ham, Essex, England Henry B Smith Son - Male 16 1875 Corn Merchant West Ham, Essex, England Ellen Daines Servant Single Female 22 1869 Domestic Servant Bawdsey, Suffolk, England
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 84, Romford Road, West Ham, Essex, England
Fredr Smith Head Married Male 41 1840 Corn Merchant (10 Men) Copse Hall, Essex, England Anne Smith Wife Married Female 45 1836 - Brayton, Warwickshire, England Caroline Smith Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholars Stratford, Essex, England Henry B Smith Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholars Stratford, Essex, England Ellen F Smith Cous Single Female 29 1852 Companion Warwickshire, England Elizth Donery Servant Single Female 18 1863 General Domestic Barking, Essex,
|
|
PricklyHolly
|
Report
|
8 Jan 2017 23:59 |
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 49, Hamfrith Road, West Ham, Essex, England
Henry Bowman Smith Head Single Male 26 1875 Corn Merchant Stratford, Essex, England Jessie D Chittock Servant Married Female 35 1866 Houekeeper Domestic Welby, Suffolk, England William J Chittock Servant Married Male 34 1867 Miller Freston, Suffolk, England Lilia A Chittock Servant Single Female 8 1893 - Essex, England Edith J Burling Servant Single Female 18 1883 Houemaid Domestic West Ham, Essex, England
|