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Dear Folks,
I cannot find Edward Long in 1851. Does anyone have any ideas? Trouble is he was a journeyman..
His first wife Mary Lampard must have died before 1852, as he remarried. I have census details for the Lampard relatives, but cant find him there.

Don't know his exact death date or place...

Here's what I have so far...
EDWARD LONG,
Baptism record .. DATE: 27th December, 1815
Christening place.. Warminster, Wiltshire
Fathers name.. William Long (ironmonger)
Mothers name.. Maria (maiden name?)
Death of Edward uncertain, but probably before 1871, and
probably in Somerset, unless he was travelling, as Amelia is in Bath, in 1871, as a widow.

William Long married Maria Bethell at St. Denys, Warminster, 1806 (no exact date ..
siblings' baptisms.?..
Sarah Maria Long, 23.10.1811 at St. Denys, Warminster
Eliza Long 29.12.1813 at Warminster
Edward 1815, given above

Edward LONG married Mary LAMPARD on 1st December 1838, Bath, Somerset
Both of them live at 46 Walcott Street, Bath, Somerset
Her father William Lampard, solicitor
His father William Long, ironmonger

FreeCEN 1841 ...............
Piece: HO107/380/2 Place: Cirencester Borough -Gloucestershire Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Cirencester Ecclesiastical Parish: - Folio: 25 Page
Address: Black Jack Street
LONG Edward M 25 J.man Ironmonger Outside Census Co
LONG William M 1 Gloucestershire
LONG Mary F 25 Outside Census Co
LONG Maria F 50 Outside Census Co

Edward is married to Mary (nee Lampard). I don't have a copy of the marriage cert.
Maria is Edward's mother, who may be a widow in 1841..

where is Edward Long in 1851?
William, if alive, would be 11...
His wife Mary might have died before then.
However, their second son, Henry Lambert Long was born in 1847 in Driffield, Yorkshire.

This is probably Henry Lampard Long in 1851 with Grandma...
1851.. (definitely 1851), 32 Broad Street, Bath, St. Michael,
Mary LAMBERT head, 59 annuitant b. Somerset, Camley
Henry L. Long grandson age 4 scholar b. Dryfield, Yorks.
...there are other people in the house ...

but where is Edward Long, wife Mary and William in 1851? ,.. is this them? (question to self)

1851 Dudley Parish, borough of Dudley,Worcestershire, 15 Constitution Hill
Edmund LONG head mar 36 Clerk to Ironmerchant b. Cambridge, Leverington ?
Mary LONG wife mar 40 - b.Worcs., Broadly ?
William LONG son 10 b.Worcs. Dudley
Thomas E. Long son 8 "
Henry LONG son 3 "
Edward A. LONG son 8 months "
I found a baptism for this "Edmund" as Edward Long at Leverington, Cambridgeshire, of Willliam Long and Mary Shepherd. Similar names, but I think this is not our Edward somehow, despite the occupation... date of baptism 15th Feb. 1815 (FreeREG)

Edward LONG married Amelia HURST on 15th June, 1852 at S. Paul's, Bedford.

Their child Frederick Hurst Long was baptised in Swaffham, putting them there in 1856.

1861 lives at 19 Spruce Street, Hulme, Manchester, St. Pauls and is married to Amelia.
Edward Long 45 assistant ironmonger, b. Warminster, Wiltshire
Amelia Long 40 wife b. Bedford, Bedforshire
Henry L Long 13 cabinet maker b. Driffield, York
Frederick H 7 scholar b. Bedford, Bedforshire
George E 3 scholar b. Colchester, Essex

Edward was probably dead before 1871, as Amelia is a seamstress and in prison in 1881..

Cheers.. G

Here are Edward and William. As you see, they have both been mistranscribed.


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
St Pauls Square, St Paul, Bedford, Bedfordshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Shepperd Head Married Male 39 1812 Tailor & Agent Upper Dean, Bedfordshire, England
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Ann Shepperd Wife Married Female 43 1808 - Northamptonshire, England
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Ann Shepperd Daughter - Female 12 1839 - Bedford, Bedfordshire, England
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Susan Shepperd Daughter - Female 10 1841 - Bedford, Bedfordshire, England
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John Shepperd Son - Male 9 1842 - Bedford, Bedfordshire, England
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Jane Browning Shepperd Daughter - Female 3 1848 - Bedford, Bedfordshire, England
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George Tidman Aprentice Unmarried Male 20 1831 Tailor Bedford, Bedfordshire, England
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Samuel Crofts Aprentice Unmarried Male 18 1833 Tailor Great Barford, Bedfordshire, England
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Joseph Rolpt Aprentice Unmarried Male 15 1836 Tailor Barnet, Bedfordshire, England
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Elizabeth King Servant Unmarried Female 15 1836 Servant Colmworth, Bedfordshire, England
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>>Edward Pong Lodger Widower Male 34 1817 Ironmonger Warminster, Wiltshire, England
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>>William Ed Lang Lodger Unmarried Male 10 1841 - Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

EDIT Edward has been mistranscribed. The L does look like a P though. William has been given the surname Lang.

LONG, HENRY LAMPARD LAMPARD Order
GRO Reference: 1847 S Quarter in DRIFFIELD UNION Volume 23 Page 35

Possible death for Mary? Just going by Henry's place of birth.


First name(s) MARY
Last name LONG
Gender Female
Death quarter 4
Death year 1849
District Driffield
County Yorkshire
Volume 23
Page 30

Thank you so very much. Appreciated.

Now I can look for young William too.. Regards G

alviegal- looks like the correct death- although newspaper has her as the daughter of H. Long:

GRO Death:
LONG, MARY age: 34
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in DRIFFIELD UNION Volume 23 Page 30

Hampshire Advertiser - Saturday 24 November 1849
On the 16th instant at Driffield, Yorkshire, Mrs Mary Long, fourth daughter of the late H Lampard esq, of Warminster, aged 34

Other notices on the marriage state Mary was the 2nd daughter of H. Lampard:

Bristol Mercury - Saturday 08 December 1838

At Bath, Mr Edward Long, to Mary, 2nd daughter of the late Mr H Lampard, both of Warminster.

Thanks AustinQ. It's always good when something can be proved to be correct. :-) :-)

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Royal Navy At Sea and in Ports Abroad, Ships and Overseas Establishments

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First name(s) Wm E
Last name Long
Relationship -
Marital status Single
Gender Male
Age 21
Birth year 1840
Occupation A B
Birth town Bristol
Birth town as transcribed BRISTOL
Birth county Gloucestershire
Birth county as transcribed SOMERSET
Birth place (other) England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Street -
Parish -
City or borough -
County Royal Navy At Sea and in Ports Abroad
Country Ships and Overseas Establishments
Vessel name Jason
Municipal ward -
Parliamentary borough -
Registration district Royal Navy At Sea and in Ports Abroad
Enumeration district -
Archive reference RG09
Parish number 4437
Enumeration district 204
Page number 7
Family member last name Hayball, Long, Gill, Norman, Crass, Booth, Brown, Marsh, Galliford, Parkins, Johns
Family member first name(s) Walter, Wm, James, Chas, Willm, Patk, Edwd, Ed, Richd
Record set 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain

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It's likely she died in child birth:

LONG, PHILLIS MARY Mother's maiden name: LAMPARD
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in DRIFFIELD UNION Volume 23 Page 40

Yorkshire, bishop's transcripts of burials
name(s) Phillis Mary Long
Burial year 1850
Birth year 1850
County Yorkshire (East Riding)
Country England
Burial place Great Driffield
Age at death 4Months
Burial date 23 Mar 1850

Thanks..this looks good. Mary had a sister Phillis...and brother John, so very likely this is their child.
Phillis lampard born 1831, was an unmarried servant in 1851 in bath.
She was found at Walcott street, with her mother and brother in 1841.
Thanks very much..