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(hope you stay snow free then AG, had enough of it now, lol)

Chris :)

Yes, if this Ipswich family is relating to Annie Wood/Garrod (whatever!) then don't think it's looking to be easy...(suppose easy was too much too ask for!)

We'll see...

Re Alice 1867 marrying James Mills -

There are two Mills couples in Ipswich in 1901, with sons named Ernest, born 1897 (per the census).

Alfred & Annie (nee Bull), and James & Alice

I don't see the birth of James & Alice's son Ernest, so far.

In fact, I can't see James & Alice's marriage, so don't know if she's Alice Page or not.

It's NOT this one:

Marriages Dec 1888 (>99%)
Kirby Alice Harriett Mutford 4a 1809
MILLS James William Mutford 4a 1809

Yes, you're right about Alice Maud (1887) marrying Edgar Chamberlain.
In 1911 they have two children, Violet (7 months) and Jessie (3).


CHAMBERLAIN, VIOLET MAUD mms PAGE
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 1049

CHAMBERLAIN, ALICE JESSIE BAKER mms PAGE
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 1086

Well, no I don't, Chris! This bit of the west coast, about 100 miles north of Glasgow, is completely snow free. Absolutely icy wind, but no lying snow, despite occasional flurries. Blue sky and sunshine yesterday - cloudier today, but still no snow. So far! I may have to eat my words later.

Now looking again at the Alices . . . . . .

I hope that marriage cert arrives soon, to settle the matter - or else set us off in another direction altogether.

(I'm trying to keep away till that Cert. arrives, you keep enticing me AG, lol, lol. James Mills is with Alice 1901 (I think!) they now have Ernest Mills (1897)...(but when looked on GRO, he seemed to have Maiden Name Bull)...

(think Alice Maud Married Edgar Baker Chamberlain 1905, they are on 1939 (Ipswich, Birthdate 21/1/87)

Aaggh!...

Chris :)

(ain't you got no snow to clear up there AG, lol, don't think we should be moaning down here really, after seeing news reports, getting worried my Scottish mackerel fillets will be in short supply!!)

Re the mother Elizabeth Page nee Smith -

I posted 1871 and 1881, and Chris posted a possible sighting in 1891.

Here's the 1891 Elizabeth in 1901, with the daughter Alice born 1887 (don't know what happened to the Alice born 1869) .

[ It's possible that the Elizabeth in 1871 and 1881 isn't the same one as in 1891 or 1901, given the fact that Alice's birth suggests her mms was Page ]


Alice Page
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Alice Page
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Elm St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Elm St Mary
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Ipswich
Sub-registration district: Ipswich Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1776
Folio: 125
Page Number: 18
Household schedule number: 149
Household Members:
Name Age
Anna Finch 49
Mary Ann Finch 23
Elizabeth Page 60 - widow, Nurse [Sick ?]
Alice Page 14 - factory hand


If she is the same Elizabeth, then possibly George's death:

Deaths Jun 1894 (>99%)
Page George 49 Ipswich 4a 425

I'll stop speculating now, and wait for Carol to report on the marriage cert!

Just to add - although of course it's a very common name -

the alternative Annie's mms was Smith - which was one of James's alias surnames.

(might relate to address below)

Chris :)

20 May 1880 - East Anglian Daily Times - Ipswich, Suffolk, England

Samuel Page, fowl dealer, of 36, Mount Street. Ipswich...


31 July 1906 - Evening Star - Ipswich, Suffolk, England

William Page, dealer. Mount Street, Ipswich, was charged with stealing copper...


Edits (no, perhaps not, looks like below family for them)

1881 (Find My Past)
Samuel Page Head Married Male 40 1841 Debenham, Suffolk, England Poultry Live Stock Dealer (Bird)
Samuel Page Son Single Male 15 1866 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Dealers Assistant
Emma Page Daughter Single Female 13 1868 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Domestic Servant Genl
William Page Son Single Male 11 1870 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Scholar
Henry Page Son Single Male 9 1872 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Scholar
Amie P Page Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Scholar
Thurso Page Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Scholar
25, Mount Street, Ipswich St Peter, Ipswich, Suffolk,

Birth
PAGE, THIRZA (HINDES)
GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 675


(possible Elizabeth from 1881 posted by AG)

1891 (Find My Past)
James Mills Head Married Male 24 1867 Suffolk, England Shoe Maker
Allous Mills Wife Married Female 25 1866 Ipswich, Suffolk, England -
Elizabeth Page Lodger Married Female 45 1846 Suffolk, England Charwoman
Alice M Page Lodger - Female 4 1887 Ipswich, Suffolk, England
1 Court a, Mount Street, St Peter, Ipswich, Suffolk,

Birth
PAGE, ALICE MAUD -
GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 791

(not seeing Mills/Page Marriage jumping out!)


Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Alice Maud
Last name Page
Birth year 1887
Baptism year 1887
Baptism date 09 Mar 1887
Parish Ipswich, St Matthew
Place Ipswich
Father's first name(s) -
Mothers first name(s) Alice
Residence Ipswich
Notes bn 21 Feb / Turners Ct


(lol, will await Cert., now orf' to sweep snow from front door!)

I agree with AG- the alternative Annie looks more likely. Especially when you look at the names of Annie's children. Some of the names seem to be repeated from James' family, but there are also George, Elizabeth, Annie and Alice, which may have come from Annie's family.

Glad you've ordered the marriage certificate.

Alice woods daughter Nora is still alive and she is telling us what she can remember.Sent off for marriage certificate.Thanks for your help.

Well, in that case she was in two places at once in 1901.

Can I ask - how do you know you've got the right Annie?

Annie s mother was defiantly Emma Webber 1831 Sutton Suffolk and father William Page 1830 Ipswich Suffolk Her sisters Emma, minnie and Gertrude.all born in Ipswich Suffolk.

Carol -

I think we had discounted Annie May Page (mms Webber). See discussion on page 2.

[ EDIT: Thanks, Chris - hadn't noticed you'd mentioned this above. ]

Annie May is on the 1901 census - already posted on page 2, but I'll copy it here for ease. (Also 1881 when she's with sister Gertrude) .

So she can't be the same Annie as the one who's with James Garrard in 1901.:
Unless somehow she's entered on both records, which is not unkown.


Annie M. Page
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Annie M. Page
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relationship to Head: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Dedham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: Princel Green
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Domestic Serv Out Of Place
Registration district: Lexden
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1800
Folio: 10
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Gertrude Page 24
Annie M. Page


Annie M Page
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Annie M Page
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Visitor
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Pangbourne
Ecclesiastical parish: Pangbourne St James
Town: Large
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Bradfield
Sub-registration district: Tilehurst
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1142
Folio: 124
Page Number: 42
Household schedule number: 255
Household Members:
Name Age
William Kent 45
Ruth Kent 41
Ruth Wigmore 14
Annie M Page 37




Here's an alternative Annie;

Annie Page
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Annie Page
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Mother: Elizabeth Page
Gender: Female
Where born: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Ipswich St Peter
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street address: Mount Street 3 Court A
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Ipswich
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1871
Folio: 9
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Page 34 - head, fowl dealer's wife
Elizabeth Page 16
Annie Page 14
Alice Page 13



???? Years don't entirely match census;

PAGE, ALICE mms SMITH
GRO Reference: 1869 M Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 627

PAGE, ELIZABETH mms SMITH
GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 533

Annie ??

PAGE, HANNAH mms SMITH
GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 577


Parents' marriage ???

Marriages Dec 1864 (>99%)
Page George Ipswich 4a 1368
Smith Elizabeth Ipswich 4a 1368



Elizabeth Page
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Page
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George Page
Gender: Female
Where born: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Ipswich St Peter
Town: Ipswich
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Ipswich
Sub-registration district: St Matthew
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 57
Piece: 1751
Folio: 36
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
George Page 28 - butcher
Elizabeth Page 25
Eliza Page 6
Anne Page 4
Alice Page 2




BUT the marriage cert will prove it one way or the other.

(well I think we'd all like to know, lol, just post back here on 'Thread', then if anything further you need, we have info.)

(kept us all busy, even if we had 'brainache', lol)

Chris :)

will do that Chris thank you so much for you kind help Do you want me to let you know the out come of that
.x

(would still get that 1894 Marriage Cert.)

Chris :)

Edits

(if you look back to below posting (page 2) didn't appear to be Annie Page, relating to Webber)

ArgyllGran Report 26 Feb 2018 08:16

Anne had sisters Gertrude Minnie and Emma found those and found there mother and father and father Emma webber 1831 Sutton Suffolk and William page 1830 ipswitch.Like to thank you all very much for your kind help once again.xx

That might be her you know as the police was after her and James.

It's a common name, and the YOB is wrong - but posting in case relevant:

Annie Page
in the London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1764-1930
Name: Annie Page
Admission Age: 25
Record Type: Admission
Birth Date: 1864
Admission Date: 8 Apr 1889
Admission Place: Westminster, Westminster, London, England
Occupation: servant
Reason for admission: In labour
Discharged: To police


Just before the discharge details there's a column of names which seem to bear no relation to the people admitted and discharged - don't know what that column means. The name in that column in Annie Page's record is Alfred Bryant.


??? Probably her child:

PAGE, ETHEL - (no mms)
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in WESTMINSTER Volume 01A Page 480

awww could be what a scoundrel. James son Horace Married a Beatrice shotter whos parent were Bertram shotter and Auguster mabel Harber which is my husbands 1st cousin 4x removed.that is why I am so interested in this as the lady who I was helping realised we are connected by ancestry. How amazing is that.Thank you so much for your kind help it must have took you hours of your time.xx
:-)