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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Feb 2018 17:45

Yes, could well be, Chris.



Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Feb 2018 17:30

(I did wonder about below?)...

Chris :)

1891 (Find My Past)
James Wood Head Married Male 25 1866 Ipswich, Suffolk, England General Labourer
Ann Wood Wife Married Female 28 1863 Ipswich, Suffolk, England -
Nellie Wood Daughter - Female 0 1891 (7mo?) North Woolwich, Kent, England
Albert Road, Woolwich, London & Kent,


(1891 Census taken, 5th April)

(if below?)

Birth
PAGE, NELLIE -
GRO Reference: 1890 D Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1104

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Feb 2018 17:24

Listing the children :


Per 1911, James had been married 20 years, 12 children, 6 deceased.
(That info should be given for the wife, not the husband - but presumably just a mistake.)


Nellie 1890-91, Woolwich. (Haven't found her birth or death. She's not with the family in 1901)
James c1892 - haven't found.
George c1894 - haven't found
Elizabeth c1896. Elizabeth's birth as Garrard, in Woolwich 1896.

Possibly two more who died in infancy?

GARRETT, ROBERT JOHN mms PAGE
GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 506

GARRETT, MICHAEL mms PAYE
GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 475

Deaths Dec 1899 (>99%)
Garrett Michael 0 Dartford 2a 324
Garrett Robert John 1 Dartford 2a 319


Millie 1905 - Wood on 1911, birth reg as Garrod or variation, Dartmouth.
Alice 1907 - ditto
Harriet 1909 - ditto. Harriet baptised as Wood.

Horace 1911 - birth as Garrard, Dartmouth.


That's 10 - two more to find, as well as births for James, George, and Nellie.

All (so far) have mms Page.



Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Feb 2018 15:45

Do you know anything of those other siblings of Alice, seems a few looking at Census entries posted...

Chris :)

(below was the latest thing I found, added with other 1913 Baptisms)

Chris :)

Baptism
County Kent
Place Dartford
Church name Christ Church
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 152
Baptism date 16 Dec 1913
Birth date 26 Sep 1913
Person forename Maude Annie
Person sex F
Person abode 8 Baldwins Road
Father surname WOOD
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Elizabeth


Births Dec 1913 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------------
Wood Maud A Wood Dartford 2a 1173

(was she perhaps the Daughter of Elizabeth?, no idea!)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Feb 2018 15:33

I thought Reys was a mistranscription, and should be Page, but maybe not.

this looks like that George in 1911 - haven't investigated parents yet.


George J Garrett
in the 1911 England Census
Name: George J Garrett
Age in 1911: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1894
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Dartford, Kent
Civil Parish: Stone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: 9 Milestone, Road, Stone, Near Dartford, Kent
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Labour
Registration district: Dartford
Registration District Number: 43
Sub-registration district: Dartford
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household schedule number: 30
Piece: 3779
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas J Garrett 45
Ann E Garrett 49
William J Garrett 19
George J Garrett 17
Alfred Garrett 11
Fanny E Garrett 9.



EDIT:

Yes, forget that George.

These are his parents:

Marriages Mar 1890 (>99%)
Garrett Thomas Dartford 2a 600
Keys Annie Elizabeth Dartford 2a 600

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Feb 2018 12:36

(lol, don't think it will be that easy!)

Chris :)

Carol

Carol Report 26 Feb 2018 12:35

That's another mother Reys. All these different mothers getting me a headache now. Wow thank you it gives us something to sort out to see who the real anne is the right person.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Feb 2018 12:05

Just to add -

I suspect this is the birth of their son George, with ms mistranscribed:

GARRETT, GEORGE JAMES mms REYS
GRO Reference: 1893 S Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 504

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Feb 2018 11:58

Annie wasn't Garrod (or similar).

James was Garrod in 1881 and Garrard in 1871 (both censuses posted above).
Chris has also given his parents' details - Hobart and Harriet.

Annie's ms is given as Page in all the children's birth records we've found, so it seems certain that was her ms.

Carol

Carol Report 26 Feb 2018 11:14

I wonder if they were not married and annie was Garrad ,Garrod or Garrard and James was wood that is why they changed names.either one of them might of been married before.Thank you so much for your help.Past catching up on them I think. something fishy.Thank you so much all of you I was surprized once again.You are all ace.The family are going to be more confused now .lol xx

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Feb 2018 09:05

GARRARD, HORACE mms PAGE
GRO Reference: 1911 S Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 1286


So, for some reason, the family are sometimes calling themselves Wood, and sometimes Garrard/Garrod/other variation.

I still can't see any marriage between James and Annie, under either name.

Unless James was using yet another surname at the time!
Or Annie had been married before.
Maybe she was still married, and never married James.

I keep being drawn to this one (probably a red herring) - but can't find any of these people in 1891, to see which woman married which man:

Marriages Sep 1887 (>99%)
DIGGORY William Woolwich 1d 1643
FORBES James Woolwich 1d 1643
Page Annie Woolwich 1d 1643
WORSLEY Maria Woolwich 1d 1643

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Feb 2018 08:52

(oh dear, and haven't got time to search further, but below, lol)

Chris :)

Baptism
County Kent
Place Dartford
Church name Christ Church
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 151
Baptism date 16 Dec 1913
Birth date Aug 1911
Person forename Horace
Person sex M
Person abode 8 Baldwins Road
Father forename James
Father surname WOOD
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Annie


Baptism
County Kent
Place Dartford
Church name Christ Church
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 149
Baptism date 16 Dec 1913
Birth date Jun 1904
Person forename Millie
Person sex F
Person abode 8 Baldwins Road
Father forename James
Father surname WOOD
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Annie


Baptism
County Kent
Place Dartford
Church name Christ Church
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 150
Baptism date 16 Dec 1913
Birth date 1907
Person forename Alice
Person sex F
Person abode 8 Baldwins Road
Father forename James
Father surname WOOD
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Annie

https://www.freereg.org.uk/


Edits (just noticed below, same date/address as above?)

Baptism
County Kent
Place Dartford
Church name Christ Church
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 152
Baptism date 16 Dec 1913
Birth date 26 Sep 1913
Person forename Maude Annie
Person sex F
Person abode 8 Baldwins Road
Father surname WOOD
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Elizabeth


Births Dec 1913 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------------
Wood Maud A Wood Dartford 2a 1173

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Feb 2018 08:22

(lol, thought she was too easy to find!!)

Chris :)

(and probably no help, but Bramford was also given 1911 for her Birthplace)

Where is James 1891?...(as below)

1891 (Find My Past)
James Wood Head Married Male 25 1866 Ipswich, Suffolk, England General Labourer
Ann Wood Wife Married Female 28 1863 Ipswich, Suffolk, England -
Nellie Wood Daughter - Female 0 1891 (7mo?) North Woolwich, Kent, England
Albert Road, Woolwich, London & Kent,


(1891 Census taken, 5th April)

(if below?)

Birth
PAGE, NELLIE -
GRO Reference: 1890 D Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1104

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Feb 2018 08:16

No, that can't be the right Annie.


Annie M. Page
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Annie M. Page
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relationship to Head: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Dedham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: Princel Green
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Domestic Serv Out Of Place
Registration district: Lexden
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1800
Folio: 10
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Gertrude Page 24
Annie M. Page


Annie M Page
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Annie M Page
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Visitor
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Pangbourne
Ecclesiastical parish: Pangbourne St James
Town: Large
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Bradfield
Sub-registration district: Tilehurst
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1142
Folio: 124
Page Number: 42
Household schedule number: 255
Household Members:
Name Age
William Kent 45
Ruth Kent 41
Ruth Wigmore 14
Annie M Page 37

Dea

Dea Report 26 Feb 2018 08:11

Well, the address is right but Annie Snr. appears to be 'Emma' !!


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Navarre Street, St Margaret, Ipswich, Suffolk, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Page Head - Male 40 1831 - Suffolk, England - Ostler
Transcription
Emma Page Wife - Female 41 1830 - Suffolk, England
Transcription
Gertrude Page Daughter - Female 14 1857 - Suffolk, England
Transcription
Emma Page Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Suffolk, England
Transcription
**Annie Page Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Suffolk, England
Transcription
Minnie Page Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Suffolk, England



Marriages Jun 1855 (>99%)
LOCKWOOD Elizabeth Ipswich 4a 736 Scan available - click to view
PAGE William Ipswich 4a 736 Scan available - click to view**
Ralph Charles Ipswich 4a 736 Scan available - click to view
WEBBER Emma Ipswich 4a 736 Scan available - click to view**

Dea x

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Feb 2018 08:01

If Birth posted...

Chris :)

Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Annie May
Last name Page
Birth year 1865
Baptism year 1865
Baptism date 26 Mar 1865
Parish Ipswich, St Margaret
Place Ipswich
Father's first name(s) William
Mothers first name(s) Annie
Father's occupation Ostler
Residence Ipswich
Notes Navarre St


1871 (Find My Past)
William Page Head - Male 40 1831 - Suffolk, England (Ostler)
Emma Page Wife - Female 41 1830 - Suffolk, England
Gertrude Page Daughter - Female 14 1857 - Suffolk, England
Emma Page Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Suffolk, England
Annie Page Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Suffolk (Ipswich) England
Minnie Page Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Suffolk, England
Navarre Street, St Margaret, Ipswich, Suffolk,

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Feb 2018 07:37

So could be below...

Chris :)

1871 (Find My Past)
Hobart Garrard Head - Male 38 1833 - Suffolk, England (Carpenter)
Harriett Garrard Wife - Female 42 1829 - Essex, England
Hobart Garrard Son - Male 18 1853 - Suffolk, England
Alice Garrard Daughter - Female 12 1859 - Suffolk, England
Robert Garrard Son - Male 8 1863 - Suffolk, England
James Garrard Son - Male 4 1867 - Suffolk (Bramford), England
Horace Garrard Son - Male 6 1865 - Suffolk, England
Harriet Garrard Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Suffolk, England


Birth
GARROD, HORACE (HAYWARD)
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in BOSMERE AND CLAYDON Volume 04A Page 591

(also for James 1867, Hayward)


Marriages Dec 1854 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------
Garrard Hobart Ipswich 4a 1300
Hayward Harriet Ipswich 4a 1300


(notes below also)

Birth
GARRARD, HOBART (PAGE)
GRO Reference: 1903 S Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 616


Deaths Mar 1904 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------
GARRARD Hobart 0 Dartford 2a 366

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Feb 2018 22:45

Annie Page's birth ??:

PAGE, ANNIE MAY mms WEBBER
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 644

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Feb 2018 22:31

The family in 1901 ??


James Garrard
in the 1901 England Census
Name: James Garrard
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Anne Garrard
Birth Place: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Eynsford
Ecclesiastical parish: Crockenhill All Souls
Town: Crockenhill
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Dartford
Sub-registration district: Farningham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 709
Folio: 61
Page Number: 8
Household schedule number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
James Garrard 35 - scaffolder / builders labourer
Anne Garrard 34
James Garrard 9
George Garrard 7
Elizabeth Garrard



GARRARD, ELIZABETH mms PAGE
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1262

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 25 Feb 2018 22:01

(looks about right there AG, will leave you with below (same address as 1911, and James Wood Burial)

Chris :)

Burial
County Kent
Place Bexley
Church name St Mary the Virgin
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 567
Burial date 22 Oct 1945
Person age 79
Burial person forename Annie
Burial person surname GARRAD
Burial person abode 8 Baldwyns Road, Bexley