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Looking for ansesters of my husbands family

William Warwick k born 1891, married elizabeth kelly born 1893
Married in 1909 may have been in st bennetts church
family are from sunderland but not sure if this is were ansesters came from
They had children
William kelly warwick 1910
John Warwick 1911

Any help greatcully recived

Thanks Linda

The marriage for our info

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1909 (>99%)
CONLEY George Sunderland 10a 1267
KELLY Elizabeth Sunderland 10a 1267 <<<<<<<
LOCKRANE Sarah Ann Sunderland 10a 1267
WARWICK William James Sunderland 10a 1267 <<<<<<<<

1911 Census For England & Wales
5 Sussex St Sunderland, Sunderland, Durham, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Jones Warwick Head Married Male 20 1891 Glassmaker Durham Sunderland
Elizabeth Warwick Wife Married Female 18 1893 - Durham Sunderland
William Kelly Warwick Son - Male 1 1910 - Durham Sunderland
John Warwick Son - Male 0 1911 - Durham Sunderland

Married 2 years. 2 children born alive and still living.

The original does say William James Warwick but I can see why it's been transcribed as William Jones. Will report

His birth showing his Mother's maiden name from the free site - https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp#Results

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
WARWICK, WILLIAM JAMES PLACE
GRO Reference: 1890 D Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 566 Occasional Copy: B

another free site - his parents marriage

https://www.freebmd.org.uk

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1886 (>99%)
Brockie William Sunderland 10a 642
MACKENZIE Isabella Sunderland 10a 642
Place Elizabeth Sunderland 10a 642 <<<<<<
Warwick William Sunderland 10a 642 <<<<<<

A copy of the marriage certificate would give you the names of the Fathers of bride and groom, along with occupations

Family 1901

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
18, Bow Street, Southwick, Sunderland, Durham, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Warwick Head Married Male 48 1853 Flint glass maker Sunderland, Durham, England
Elizabeth Warwick Wife Married Female 35 1866 - Sunderland, Durham, England
Eliza Warwick Daughter - Female 12 1889 - Southwick, Durham, England
Will James Warwick Son - Male 9 1892 - Southwick, Durham, England
John Warwick Son - Male 6 1895 - Southwick, Durham, England
Edward Warwick Son - Male 3 1898 - Southwick, Durham, England

WARWICK, EDWARD PLACE
GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 729

Have a look yourself for the births of the other 2 children using the GRO site,

1911 census shows William (Senior born Glasgow)

1911 Census For England & Wales
12 Wallon Place Sunderland, Sunderland, Durham, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Warwick Head Married Male 58 1853 Glass maker putter Glasgow Resident
Elizabeth Warwick Wife Married Female 48 1863 - Durham Sunderland
John Warwick Son Single Male 17 1894 Butler assistant Durham Sunderland
Edward Warwick Son - Male 13 1898 School Durham Sunderland
Martha Warwick Daughter - Female 10 1901 School Durham Sunderland
Francis Warwick Daughter - Female 6 1905 School Durham Sunderland


The original shows William and Elizabeth married 25 years. They have had 7 children - 6 are alive, but one has died.

Maybe back a further generation?

Could this be William aged 10 in 1861. Parents would have given info for the earlier census and were living in Sunderland. In 1911 he gave the info and his right place of birth.

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
11, Peacock Street, Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland, Durham, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Warwick Head Married Male 30 1831 Labourer Ireland
Mary Warwick Wife Married Female 32 1809 - Ireland ***
Elizabeth Warwick Daughter - Female 13 1848 Scholar Ireland
William Warwick Son - Male 10 1851 Scholar Scotland
Agnes Warwick Daughter - Female 7 1854 Scholar Scotland
Mary Warwick Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Bishopwearmouth, Durham, England
Bernard Moss Boarder Unmarried Male 27 1834 Labourer Ireland

*** Original shows age as 32 so Birth year should be 1829 !!

1921 census - available to all on find My Past - you can do the search for free and get results as below. You can pay to look at a transcript or the original (as do even FMP members)

First name(s) Last name Birth year Birth place Parish Registration district County
William Warwick 1853 Glasgow, Lancashire, England Sunderland Sunderland Durham

William, Elizabeth, Edward and 1 other are on this record

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William James Warwick 1891 Sunderland, Durham, England Sunderland Sunderland Durham

William James, Elizabeth, William Hilly and 2 others are on this record

Ancestry tree gives William and Mary as
William Warwick 1827-1895 b Loughbrickland, County Down and

Mary as Mary McGrath 1827-1896. No further details

They are said to have married 22.1.1841 in Newry, Co. Down

Don't take this for granted unless you can find the proof.

However the tree has an extract from the 1851 Irish census with the applicant for the information an Eliza Warwick (March 1849/50). Current address Mrs Eliza Bryan, 14 Coronation Street, Sunderland, Co. Durham. Dated 1920

Full names of Father and Mother of Applicant are William and Mary Warwick (McGrath)
Residence in 1851 given as County Down in the Townland of Newtonards

From Scotlands People site.You can search and get the result shown for free and then buy credits to download and look at the Parish entry - this is before Official registration began in Scotland, so will be a baptism rather than Birth.

https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/record-results?

This looks to be William's Baptism

Church registers - Catholic Registers Births and Baptisms - Search results

Surname Forename Parents/ Other details Gender Birth Date Baptism Date Parish Image View
WARWICK WILLIAM WILLIAM WARWICK/MARY MCGRACE M
0/0/0 20/8/1852 Glasgow, St John's

????
from scotlands people
Surname Forename Parents/ Other details Gender Birth Date Baptism Date Parish Image View
WARWICK

WILLIAM

WILLIAM WARWICK/MARY MCGRACE

M

0/0/0

20/8/1852

Glasgow, St John's

Evening safc - I'm not the only one up late then. Off to bed now though as soon as this posted.

There's a marriage entry in a Parish Register which the Ancestry tree must have been referring to as it said Warnock of Warwick

the transcript doesn't show William's surname but you can see what the entry is on the original;

Mary McGrath in 1841
Ireland Roman Catholic Parish Marriages
Tullylish, Dromore, Down, Ireland

First name(s) Mary
Last name McGrath
Address -
Marriage year 1841
Marriage date 22 Jan 1841
Parish Tullylish
Repository National Library of Ireland
Alternative parish names Banbridge, Clare, Clare and Gilford, Danaghcloney, Gilford, Magherally, Tullylish, Seapatrick, Magherally and Danaghclony
Diocese Dromore
Spouse's first name(s) William
Spouse's last name ?
Souse's address -
County Down
Country Ireland
National Library of Ireland
http://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633252#page/1/mode/1up
Register Marriage
Record set Ireland Roman Catholic Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages

From original
Marriages 22 January 1841
William Warnock and Mary McGrath in ---?
Witnesses - Francis Neal and James McGRath

You can see the marriage entry yourself here - bottom of right hand page
Click on the blue line in above record

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633252#page/118/mode/1up

?? Elizabeth showing on 1861 census in Sunderland as born c 1848 Ireland

the surname is shown as WarMick

Ireland Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
St. Patrick's, Belfast City, Down and Connor, Antrim, Ireland

First name(s) Eliza
Father's last name Warmick
Last name Warmick
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Birth year -
Mother's last name McGrath
Baptism year 1850
Repository National Library of Ireland
Baptism date 29 Oct 1850
National Library of Ireland register http://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633209#page/1/mode/1up
Parish St. Patrick's, Belfast City
Register Baptism
Alternative parish names Donegall Street, Belfast, St. Patrick's
Record set Ireland Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
Diocese Down and Connor
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
County Antrim
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Country Ireland
Collections from Ireland
Father's first name(s) Wm

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About Ireland Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms

click on the line highlighted in blue to see the record yourself but you'll need to input November 1850 to see it

You lot are brill
Anymore info really appreciate

Thanks

??? KELLY, WILLIAM KELLY
GRO Reference: 1909 M Quarter in GATESHEAD Volume 10A Page 1008

WARWICK, JOHN KELLY
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 733

WARWICK, ELIZABETH ELLEN KELLY
GRO Reference: 1913 J Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 1461

Try working some details out for yourself - here's the possible births of Elizabeth Place - as she married only as Elizabeth (not that it always follows, middle names aren't always given) and says she was born in Sunderland, you might follow the Sunderland birth -

From freebmd for example - Co. Durham

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Dec 1863 (>99%)
PLACE Elizabeth Ann Stockton 10a 99

Births Sep 1865 (>99%)
Place Elizabeth Sunderland 10a 503
Place Elizabeth Ann Darlington 10a 16


You can then go to the GRO site and look for corresponding births there where the MMN will show. (and pick up sibling births)

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
PLACE, ELIZABETH ANN BARKER
GRO Reference: 1863 D Quarter in STOCKTON Volume 10A Page 99

PLACE, ELIZABETH PARTON
GRO Reference: 1865 S Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 503

PLACE, ELIZABETH ANN FERGUSON
GRO Reference: 1865 S Quarter in DARLINGTON UNION Volume 10A Page 16

Give the year it shows for the birth a 20 year zone and find the marriage, still in Sunderland. (James Place and Hannah 1845)

This is where Elizabeth marriage certificate would be useful to confirm Father's name. You should always prove each generation.

If you don't have access to census from pay sites, then check the Family Search site and also freecen

Look at the 1871 census and find the family in Sunderland. You can come forward and go backwards to track the family.

Look like they're living with Hannah's Mother in 1851 (Rosanna)

Use the GRO site to check out siblings going back to the time of the parents marriage

the 1841 census picks up James possibly with his Mother Barbara, although relationships aren't given on the 1841.
Also ages over 15 were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 (ie age 33 would show as 30) so ages can sometimes look "out"

Do the same for Hannah who is with her Mother (Rose)

BMD's pre Q3 1837 aren't available online - you have to then use Parish Registers for Baptisms, Marriages and Burials.

Try - https://www.familysearch.org - another free site

Hannah's Baptism is shown and it gives her parents names (Father wasn't on the 1841/1851 so presume died pre then)

There is also a Baptism for James with Mother's Christian name to match that on the 1841 census, so now you have a Father's name too.

The marriage of James' parents, Barbara and George, is on Find My Past (not on Family search) gives the date as 12 July 1818 at Jarrow, Durham and her surname as McPherson.

Find My Past gives Barbara's Baptism as 16.6.1789 in Sunderland to James and Elizabeth

FMP also has the marriage of Rosanna Farmer to Thomas Parton 1825 Sunderland Holy Trinity - but you can find that one on the Family Search site

See how you go on - it's only what we helpers have to do and it will help you find your way rounds those free sites.

Come back if you need to or want to confirm anything

From FindMyPast - original available to view and shows William was aged 4 months when baptised

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First name(s) William
Last name Warwick
Sex Male
Birth year -
Baptism year 1852
Baptism date 20 Aug 1852
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Warwick
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name McGrace
Denomination Roman Catholic
Parish St John
Place Glasgow
Diocese Glasgow
County Lanarkshire
Country Scotland
Archive The Scottish Catholic Archives
Archive reference MP/92
Volume 01
Section 01
Sub-section 02
Year range 1846-1885
Record set Scotland Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Great Britain, Scotland