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can anyone find James Pilling Jones and Margaret comstive travelling to France from around 1834 to 1843.? They married in clitheroe I think, around 1834.They had child William Jones in France in 1843. They eventually returned to the UK and I yhink James Jones who was a, mechanic died in Yorkshire around 1851. I think they were on the census in 1851 in Yorkshire but did move back towards burnley as William Jones married hannah duxbury nee Smith around 1880 in Burnley possibly. William Jones died in 1891 in Burnley but Margaret also died in Burnley but I'm not sure what year. :-)

just to add. Margaret Jones nee comstive married again in 1860 to Joseph or John Lee in Burnley in the Catholic Church. So she woukd have been Margaret Lee on her death. :-)

I may be wrong, but I don't think there are any records for travel to France at that time

From Lancs OPC, an excellent source if you haven't previously used it. A different spelling for her surname from the one you have!!

https://lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

Banns: St Mary Magdalene, Clitheroe, Lancashire, England
James Pilling Jones - Reedley Hollows in the Castle Parish of Clitheroe
Margaret Cumbstiff - Reedley Hollows in the Castle Parish of Clitheroe
First Reading: 14 Sep 1834; Read By: J H Anderton & R Fallowfield
Second Reading: 21 Sep 1834; Read By: J H Anderton & R Fallowfield
Third Reading: 28 Sep 1834; Read By: J H Anderton & R Fallowfield
Register: Banns of Marriage 1834 - 1847, Page 12, Entry 23
Source: LDS File 1278858

Marriage: 29 Sep 1834 St Mary Magdalene, Clitheroe, Lancashire, England
James Pilling Jones - Reedley Hollows in the Castle Parish of Clitheroe
Margaret Cumbstiff - (X), Reedley Hollows in the Castle Parish of Clitheroe
Witness: James Cumstive; Robert Hodgson
Married by Banns by: R Fallowfield, Off Minister
Register: Marriages 1828-1837, Page 114, Entry 341
Source: LDS Film 1278858

Spelling back to Comstive!

Marriage: 7 Jan 1860 St Mary of the Assumption, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Josephum Lee - Burnley
Margaritam Jones - Burnley
Groom's Parents: Josephi Lee & Annae Lee
Bride's Parents: Gulielmi Comstive & Aliciae Comstive
Witness: Josepho Comstive; Sara Comstive
Married by: Thomas J Flanagan, Miss. Coad.
Register: Marriages 1856 - 1874, Page 28
Source: Original Parish Register

Thankyou. yes I've used but not seen that Thankyou x Margaret Lee nee comstive formerly Jones died in 1862 so wasn't married to Mr Lee long. Think it looks like Joseph Lee but I'm not sure as the Latin is sometimes different. I've found a whole heap of comstive graves but I'm struggling to discover when and why they went to France and when they came back. Maybe I'll never know but just wondering if there was a way to find out when or how they travelled. Perhaps got a job in a garage in France. I'm also trying to find out more about James Pilling Jones. They married in clitheroe so I'm assuming they lived closer to the pafiham, area of burnley, reedley hallows was an area heading out of burnley, one way clitheroe, the other pendle. Ill try to find them on the 1841 but they may already have gone to France by then :-D

Margaret was baptised in Preston ....

Baptism: 7 Apr 1816 Holy Trinity, Preston, Lancashire, England
Margaret Cumstive - [Child] of William Cumstive & Alice
Born: 29 Feb 1816
Abode: Preston
Occupation: Workman
Baptised by: Thos. Marshall Curate of Eccleston near Croston
Register: Baptisms 1815 - 1900, Page 3, Entry 24
Source: LDS Film 1470818



I can find no baptism for a James Pilling Jones ........... I wonder if he was born Pilling, or added Pilling later.

Margaret and a daughter Alice were living with her parents in 1841, no sign of James

Household members (8 people)

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
William Comstive Male 50 1791 Lancashire, England
Alice Comstive Female 45 1796 Lancashire, England
Joseph Comstive Male 17 1824 Lancashire, England
Isabella Comstive Female 14 1827 Lancashire, England
Thomas Comstive Male 12 1829 Lancashire, England
John Comstive Male 7 1834 Lancashire, England
Margaret Jones Female 20 1821 Lancashire, England <<<<<<
Alice Jones Female 1 1840 Lancashire, England <<<<<<

Her full address is Old Mill, Whalley, Burnley, Lancashire, England


She is a widow in 1851, with children and lodgers living in the house

Household members (8 people)

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Margaret Jones Head Widow Female 35 1816 Widow of a mechanic Preston, Lancashire, England
Alice - Daughter - Female 11 1840 - Burnley, Lancashire, England
William - Son - Male 8 1843 - -
Teresa - Daughter - Female 2 1849 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Elizabeth - Son - Male 0 1851 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Patrick Barratt Lodger - Male 40 1811 Mechanic Not Known
John Barber Lodger - Male 26 1825 Iron moulder Wakefield, Yorkshire, England
N K Barber Lodger - Female 26 1825 - Not Known

Address:- Peel Street, Hunslet

NOTE:- Elizabeth is correct, but should be shown as DAUGHTER!

From GRO

JONES, ELIZABETH COMSTIVE
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in HUNSLET Volume 23 Page 326

JONES, TERESA COMSTIVE
GRO Reference: 1848 S Quarter in HUNSLET Volume 23 Page 312



EDIT:-

This looks like James death in 1850

JONES, JAMES 33
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in HUNSLET Volume 23 Page 212


It seems that he only used "Pilling" when he married, but we can gauge his date of birth from his age on here, ie ca 1817

In 1861, Margaret, Joseph Lee and children are living with her mother in Lancashire

1861 Census

Name: Teresa Jones
Gender: Female
Age: 13
Relation: Granddaughter
Estimated Birth Year: 1848
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Habergham Eaves
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Burnley
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Burnley
Sub-registration district: Burnley
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 194
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship

Alice Cornstive 72 Head
Joseph Lee 57 Son-in-law
Margaret Les 45 Daughter
Alice Jones 21 Granddaughter
Teresa Jones 13 Granddaughter
Elizabeth Jones 10 Granddaughter
Rosin Jones 8 Granddaughter b. Burnley, Lancashire


I can only find this registration for a Rosina Jones born ca 1853, Burnley. If it is her, Margaret did not give her maiden name

JONES, ROSINA -
GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION Volume 08E Page 147

thanks for thst, I coujdnt find Margaret on the 1841 or 1861 so thanks for that. Msybe then James Pilling Jones had already gone to France ahead of Margaret and she joined him later as she had given birth to William around 1843 :-)

I think rosina Jones was probably daughter of Alice who was 21 and not yet married. On lancs bmd it has mother's maiden name as Jones so I think there's a chance it's Alice whose mother. :-)

there's an update to rosina Jones. Definstely daughter of Margaret who had her with a Thomas irelith? Born out of wedlock before she married Joseph Lee in 1860.

:-)

I found this on Lancs opc

Baptism: 30 Jan 1853 St Mary of the Assumption, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Rosina Jones - [Child] of Thomas Irelith? & Margret Jones
Born: 24 Dec 1852
Godparents: William Comstiff, Godfather; Alice Comstiff, Godmother
Baptised by: E. O'Neill
Register: Baptisms 1820 - 1854
Source: Original Parish Register

I'm trying to find Rosina's baptism where I can look at the actual register!

At least Thomas seems to have acknowledged the child!

A garage in 1862!!

In those days a mechanic was someone who work with machinery.

COMSTIVE Margaret LEE Joseph 1860 Burnley Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston RM/14/22
JONES Margaret LEE Joseph 1860 Burnley Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston RM/14/22
LEE Joseph COMSTIVE Margaret 1860 Burnley Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston RM/14/22
LEE Joseph JONES Margaret 1860 Burnley Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston RM/14/22


The Latin for 'John' is Ioannes/Johannes, or variant thereof

I doubt you'll find baptism images anywhere other than the Records Office

Wouldn’t it be worth asking for help from the Lancashire OPC - website given by Sylvia near the beginning of this thread.

Family Search, which some of the above records come from, may have copies of the register.

Thankyou, I'll give that a, go too. thanks ?? :-)

There is no record anywhere - other than on the baptism - for the name Thomas Irelith, as I’m sure you’ve discovered