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Sherlock Holmes 1901 Census/Marriage Help Please.

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ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Feb 2024 12:34

FMP transcription


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
11, Pembroke Road, Kensington, London & Middlesex, England
Mary W Tanner Head Widow Female 64 1837 Independt means London, Middlesex, England
Mary E Tanner Daughter Single Female 34 1867 - London, Middlesex, England
Robert R? G Tanner Son Single Male 30 1871 Oil mercht Capel Green, Suffolk, England
Elizabeth M Ward - Single Female 28 1873 Serv domes London, Middlesex, England
Hannah M Tucker - Single Female 25 1876 Serv domes Tibshelf. Derbyshire, England

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Feb 2024 12:28

Hannah M Tacker
in the 1901 England Census
Name Hannah M Tacker
Age 25
Estimated Birth Year abt 1876
Gender Female
Birth Place Tibshelf, Derbyshire, England
Civil parish Kensington
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Ecclesiastical parish St Phillip
County/Island London
Country England
Registration district Kensington
Sub-registration district Brompton
ED, institution, or vessel 25
Neighbors
Piece 38
Folio 70
Page number 47
Household schedule number 290
Household Members (Name) Age
Hannah M Tacker 25

She's a domestic servant in the household of Mary W Tanner , though the family isn't transcribed with her on Ancestry.
There's a separate transcription for Mary Tanner with her son and daughter.
Another servant Elizabeth M Ward, is listed in yet another separate transcription on Ancestry.

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 9 Feb 2024 12:22

Joy, just because someone says they are married on a census form doesn’t necessarily mean they were legally married.

Jink20

Jink20 Report 9 Feb 2024 12:10

Further to above record

6th December 1877
Trade : Carpenter

First name(s) John
Last name Dear
Document type Attestation
Birth year 1858
Archive reference WO 97
Birth parish Barrow on Soar
Series Wo 97 - Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1760-1913
Birth town Loughborough
Box 1937
Birth county Leicestershire
Box record number 83
Birth country England
Archive The National Archives
Service number 1029
Country England
Regiment -
Record set British Army Service Records
Year 1877
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Attestation date 29 Nov 1877
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Attestation age years 19
Collections from Great Britain, England
Attestation service number 1029

Served Gibraltar 17 Sept 1878- 5 Jan 1879
West Indies 6 Jan 1879- 3 May 1881

Jink20

Jink20 Report 9 Feb 2024 11:41

Same John??

Attestation corps Volunteer For The Militia
13 Jany? 1876
First name(s) John
Last name Dear
Document type Attestation
Birth year -
Archive reference WO 96
Birth parish Barrow on Soar
Series Wo 96 - Militia Service Records 1806-1915
Birth town Loughboro
Box 345
Birth county Leicestershire
Box record number 191
Birth country England
Archive The National Archives
Service number 7815
Country England
Regiment Leicestershire Regiment
Record set British Army Service Records
Year -
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Attestation age years 17
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Attestation age months 10
Collections from Great Britain, England
Attestation service number 7815

Birthday @ March 1858

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 8 Feb 2024 22:20

Emma died OND 1902, so John was free to marry.


1921 Census Of England & Wales
Roman Bank, Winthorpe, Lincolnshire, England
John Dear Head Male 1857 64 - Barrow on Soar Joiner Own Account
Annie Mary Dear Wife Female 1874 47 Tibshelf, Derbyshire, England Home Duties -
Elizabeth Amy Hoff Visitor Female 1868 53 Kirk Braddan, Isle of Man, Isle of Man Home Duties -
Amy Hoff Visitor Female 1901 19 Kirk Braddan, Isle of Man, Isle of Man Clerk Balm Hill & Sons, Lase Manufacturer
Roy Arthur Riley Visitor Male 1900 21 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Clerk Sawing Bank, Bankers
Hannah Maria Gee Visitor Female 1885 36 Derbyshire, England Home Duties -
Hilda Ellen Gee Visitor Female 1906 14 Nottinghamshire, England - -

Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson*

Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson* Report 8 Feb 2024 22:19

:-) Namelessone.

Now normally I don't search much beyond the given age - usually 5 years either side. So for once I decided to go 10 years either side of John's 1911 given age as he doesn't seem to track forward or back and found this:-

1901 Census.

Dear, John 'Head of the Household' born 1858 in Barrow upon Soar, Leicestershire.
Occupation: Contracting Joiner and Carpenter.
Dear, Emma - Wife - born 1862 in Barrow upon Soar, Leicestershire.

Living in Norton Woodseats, Derbyshire (Ecclesall Bierlow District)

Emma appears to die the following year in Ecclesall Bierlow District).

So it appears either John's fibbed about his age or Hannah's misheard/miswritten.

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 8 Feb 2024 21:38

First reaction was that Sherlock Holmes didn’t marry. Maybe Hannah and John didn’t either.

Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson*

Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson* Report 8 Feb 2024 21:16

In my tree I have this young lady:

TUCKER, Hannah Mary born 1873 Teversal (nr Tibshelf), Derbyshire.

1891 Census appears to find her living in Nottingham working as a Domestic Servant Henry E Matthews a Lace Draper and Dresser

1901 - I can't find her at all.

1911 - She appears to show up again visiting her Mother, Hannah Tucker born 1844 in Stanton by Dale, as Anna Mary Dear, wife of John Dear born 1867 in Barrow upon Soar, Leicestershire. Married 8 years.

For the life of me I cannot find a marriage them.

If anyone can crack this I'll be amazed. I've spent the last 6 months trying.

Thanks in anticipation.