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Malcolm i owe you a huge apology look........... 1841 Elizabeth Constantine abt 1781 Lancashire, England Leigh Lancashire Elizabeth Constantine abt 1823 Lancashire, England Leigh Lancashire Job Constantine abt 1781 Lancashire, England Leigh Lancashire HO107/513/10 Registration district: Leigh Sub-registration district: Atherton and Tyldesley ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Folio: 12 Page: 17 unless the other Elizabeth is the same one and was recorded twice, digging myself out of a deep hole now, lol Jane x

Jane, That's great - many thanks, your help is invaluable. I really feel that I might be able to break down this brick wall soon! From your clues I've been able to locate a couple of death certs on 1837online and ordered them from the GRO - fingers crossed! I don't want to take up too much of your time, but it would be a great help if I could determine whether Elizabeth's father, Job CONSTERDINE (or CONSTANTINE) was still alive in 1841. I'm sure he would be in or near Tyldesley, Leigh. Unfortunately I don't really know how old he would be - somewhere between 55 and 70 I guess. Malcolm

Hi Mike had a look for you but none born in Sculcoates abt 1840. do you have him in later census? do you have any certificates for him? Jane

Malcolm, here is the reference HO107/509/7 Registration district: Haslingden Sub-registration district: Newchurch ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Folio: 47 Page: 20

Thanks Jane, That's interesting - it could be. Elizabeth's mother was a TAYLOR. Do you have a reference for this? Malcolm

Hi Malcolm. could this be her? **Eliz Constantine abt 1826 Lancashire, England Whalley Lancashire Frances Deworst abt 1831 Lancashire, England Whalley Lancashire Alice Dowerst abt 1837 Lancashire, England Whalley Lancashire Elizh Taylor abt 1840 Lancashire, England Whalley Lancashire Ginny Taylor abt 1811 Lancashire, England Whalley Lancashire Susannah Taylor abt 1837 Lancashire, England Whalley Lancashire Willm Taylor abt 1838 Lancashire, England Whalley Lancashire

Hi, Could you possibly find Elizabeth CONSTERDINE at Tyldesley, Leigh, Lancashire in 1841? She would be about 20 years old. (In 1851 she was calling herself CONSTANTINE.) I'm hoping she might be with her mother Elizabeth (Betty) who died in 1844. Many thanks, Malcolm

Hi Jane Many thanks for the look up. That was the family I was looking for, so they must of moved to Queen Dart, witheridge after 1901 cencus was completed. Now I know where they were at the time of the 1901 cenus. Thanks Clare

Thanks. that is the right family. I wonder why Alice isn't on the 1901 census she was still alive as my Grandmother was not born until 1905. I am waiting for the marriage cert to come in the post but was hoping to get a head start if you could find his parents first. Thanks for looking you help is really appreciated. Alison

Hi Clare right , think this is the family you are after in 1901 but it is listed as 2 families to make it more difficult for you, lol William is living at Higher Bulworthy, next door Richard & family are living at Lower Bulworthy !! (to make it easier, next to their name is the head of house!!) Albert Pincombe, William,Sarah abt 1900 Rackenford, Devon, England Son Rackenford Devon Bessie Pincombe, William,Sarah abt 1893 Oakford, Devon, England Daughter Rackenford Devon Emma Pincombe, William,Sarah abt 1889 Oakford, Devon, England Daughter Rackenford Devon Frank Pincombe, William,Sarah abt 1898 Rackenford, Devon, England Son Rackenford Devon Fred Pincombe, William,Sarah abt 1895 Oakford, Devon, England Son Rackenford Devon Jessie Pincombe, Richard abt 1873 Oakford, Devon, England Daughter Rackenford Devon John Pincombe, William,Sarah abt 1887 Oakford, Devon, England Son Rackenford Devon Lily Pincombe, William,Sarah abt 1891 Stoodleigh, Devon, England Daughter Rackenford Devon Richard Pincombe abt 1836 Oakford, Devon, England Head Rackenford Devon Sarah Pincombe, William abt 1869 Oakford, Devon, England Wife Rackenford Devon Victor Pincombe, Jessie abt 1898 Rackenford, Devon, England Grandson Rackenford Devon William Pincombe, Sarah abt 1865 Oakford, Devon, England Head Rackenford Devon William Pincombe abt 1841 Oakford, Devon, England Brother Rackenford Devon hope i've not confused you, lol

Liz pmsl, sorry hun, lol i've given up putting surnames on your searches lol, much easier just 1st name, and if that doesn't work, no names at all, lol so nothing similar, did check the ones that were possibilities but they were all married :o(( the only thing i can think of is that she wasn't in Sowerby, or even worse, not in Yorkshire!! its harder in 1841 as birthplace isn't given too. have had another look , but still nothing i'm afraid. Jx

Hi Jane Many thanks for trying, not to worry I will try going on the cencus. Please could you see if William Pincombe b 1867 and Sarah Pincombe b1868 where at Queen Dart, Witheridge, Devon in 1901. Not to worry if they are not there or if nothing comes up. Thanks again Clare

Hi Jane, That is the family that I thought you would find her in GRRRR!!! Could her name be down as Tase or Tosh even, or have you tried these. Liz x

Hey Liz, is there a chance this could be dad then?? George Tose abt 1811 Yorkshire, England Thirsk Yorkshire Jane Tose abt 1780 Yorkshire, England Thirsk Yorkshire Robert Tose abt 1829 Yorkshire, England Thirsk Yorkshire William Tose abt 1779 Yorkshire, England Thirsk Yorkshire Jx

Hi Jane, Thank you very much for trying - I think his name MIGHT be William. Liz x

Alison 1901 99 Morsom st Alfred Poulton abt 1892 Aston, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire Florence Poulton abt 1893 Aston, Warwickshire, England Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire Frances Poulton abt 1895 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire Frank Poulton abt 1894 Aston, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire Gertrude Poulton abt 1897 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire James Poulton abt 1865 Aston, Warwickshire, England Head Birmingham Warwickshire ZINC WORKER Florence Flude abt 1867 Aston, Warwickshire, England Sister Birmingham Warwickshire William Flude abt 1840 Lutterworth, Leicestershire, England Father-in-law Birmingham Warwickshire unfortunately i can only find 1 other Poulton family with a James, but James is still with them in 1901, so can't be right family ( didn't find this out until i had listed every census for you from 1871, pmsl!) do you have a fathers name for James from his marriage certificate at all? also there was a Harry Poulton b. 1871, Erdington, living next door to James in 1901, is he connected??? Jane

Hey Liz, well........... 1out of 2 aint bad is it???? had another look for Esther Tose in 1841, but can't see anything like...... don't suppose you know father s name do you???? Jx

Hi Clare am really sorry but i can't do address look ups on Ancestry, only names. if you go to the official 1901 site you can do address searches, but you have to pay per view. sorry Jane

Hi Samantha here you go 1871 22 C........ Alfred Hawksworth abt 1865 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Son Sheffield Yorkshire Amelin Hawksworth abt 1868 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Sheffield Yorkshire Ann Hawksworth abt 1838 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Wife Sheffield Yorkshire SILVER ....... Arthur Hawksworth abt 1860 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Son Sheffield Yorkshire George Hawksworth abt 1837 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Head Sheffield Yorkshire TABLE BLADE FORGER George Hawksworth abt 1858 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Son Sheffield Yorkshire Jane

Hi Tony, is this him in 1891? 8 Bond Court Emma E Brown abt 1890 Westminster, London, England Daughter St John the Evangalist Westminster London George Brown abt 1887 Westminster, London, England Son St John the Evangalist Westminster London Henry Brown abt 1889 Westminster, London, England Son St John the Evangalist Westminster London Jane Brown abt 1854 Westminster, London, England Wife St John the Evangalist Westminster London Jane Brown abt 1874 Westminster, London, England Daughter St John the Evangalist Westminster London John Brown abt 1852 Westminster, London, England Head St John the Evangalist Westminster London GENERAL LABOURER ***John Brown abt 1881 Westminster, London, England Son St John the Evangalist Westminster London Joseph Brown abt 1885 Westminster, London, England Son St John the Evangalist Westminster London Richard Brown abt 1876 Westminster, London, England Son St John the Evangalist Westminster London Thomas Brown abt 1877 Westminster, London, England Son St John the Evangalist Westminster London and after some hard searching here is the same family in 1881 !!! 2 Bond court Jane Brown abt 1854 Westmr, Middlesex, England Wife St John the Evangelist London Jane Brown abt 1874 Westmr, Middlesex, England Daughter St John the Evangelist London John Brown abt 1852 Westmr, Middlesex, England Head St John the Evangelist London CAR MAN **John Brown Westmr, Middlesex, England Son St John the Evangelist London I MONTH OLD Mary Ann Brown abt 1819 Westmr, Middlesex, England Mother St John the Evangelist London WIDOW Richd.J. Brown abt 1876 Westmr, Middlesex, England Son St John the Evangelist London Thomas Brown abt 1878 Westmr, Middlesex, England Son St John the Evangelist London Jane