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Anyone got any Mysteries I could help with?? Threa

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Zoe

Zoe Report 16 Apr 2006 17:29

Betty After 1911 its a bit easier as the Mother Maiden Name is also on the ref for the certs, If you have a name you can search births in the area you believe them to be in it's much easier with a less common name. Its really hit and miss before 1911 Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 16 Apr 2006 17:27

Debbie They also have a child George with them don't they? Have you ordered the marriage cert as it will say if he is a widow or not. And the address may come in handy as it maybe the same as 1871 if I were you I would contact the registry office for that area and ask if they can find a death of Emma Bill in those years as sometimes GRO index misses some peoples details. I could ot find a marriage searched the GRO records no joy my cousin contacted the relevant office by email a few days later we had the details and ordered the cert, it was just not in the GRO records Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 16 Apr 2006 17:22

Georgina I know the British library in Kings X holds them look on their site it will tell you what they hold What the British Library has Under the Representation of the people legislation, the British Library has received a complete set of electoral registers for the whole of the United Kingdom (England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland) from and including 1947. From 2003 the Library holds the full, but not the edited, version of the register. It also has a complete set of registers for 1937 and (except for Northern Ireland) for 1938. Apart from a few Scottish constituencies, the Library has no registers for 1932 to 1936 and 1939 and, apart from some Northern Ireland and the same few Scottish constituencies, it has none of the four registers issued during 1945 and 1946. For the period 1832 to 1931, only a general indication can be given of the British Library’s holdings which nevertheless total some 20,000 registers – it is modest to 1885, good from then until 1915 and modest again from 1918 to 1931. A complete inventory of the British Library’s holdings is listed in Parliamentary constituencies and their registers since 1832 which also lists non-parliamentary registers (burgess rolls, jurors lists, valuation rolls, etc.) and poll books held by the Library. What exists Electoral registration was introduced in 1832 and registers have been issued for each parliamentary constituency every year since then, with certain exceptions. Registration was suspended in both World Wars and there are no registers for 1916 and 1917 (1915-17 in Scotland) and from 1940 to 1944 inclusive. From 1919 to 1926 inclusive there were two registers a year called the ‘Spring’ and ‘Autumn’ registers. There were also two registers in 1945 and 1946; in addition to the regular registers in October, there was a special register in May 1945 for the general election and a supplementary register of service voters in March 1946. There were also two registers in 1868 and 1885. The January registers in both years were supposed to last the calendar year but were superseded in both cases by new registers on revised constituency boundaries in November. The latter registers lasted until the end of the following year and are identified as ‘ 1868/69’ and ‘1885/86’; otherwise registers are identified by the year in which they came into force even if they span part of two years. As a consequence of the Representation of the People (England and Wales) (Amendment) Regulations 2002 (SI 1871) and corresponding legislation for Scotland and Northern Ireland, two versions of the register were produced from 2003. The full version of the register contains the names of all voters and is used primarily to support the electoral process. Public access to it is strictly controlled. The edited version of the register is available for sale for commercial use for direct marketing, advertising, etc. It omits the names of electors who have exercised their right to opt out to protect their privacy. Here is their web address you can contact and ask if they hold the area you need http://www.bl.uk/contact/howto.html Zoe

Erikoinen

Erikoinen Report 16 Apr 2006 17:20

I have a poser for you, I have asked for help from others a while ago but have not progressed 1851 Census This cannot be found on Ancestry as page is missing MILTON John 48 Mason Wattiscombe MILTON Elizabeth 44 Compton MILTON Elizabeth 18 Bristol MILTON William 14 with Father Bristol I am trying to find either marriage of John and Elizabeth or his birth, my problem is his given place of birth doesn't exist I cannot find them on 1861, but 1841 gives them as being born in county (Gloucestershire) Any assistance you can give would be greatly appreciated Ken xx

♥Betty Boo from Dundee♥

♥Betty Boo from Dundee♥ Report 16 Apr 2006 17:18

Hi Zoe, I wonder if you can give me some information, is there anyway I can find out is a married couple had any children after the 1901 census? Is there some other way of finding out, one couple were married in 1892 and the other in 1900. I know they both had one child by 1901 census but I was trying to find out if they had more children later on. Is there anyway I can find out? Betty

Debbie

Debbie Report 16 Apr 2006 17:11

Hi yes those are mine but on the 1881 William whiteaker Bill is married to a Mary Ann and living at Sheperdess Walk with 2 step daughters and a son which is theirs and Emma has gone

Zoe

Zoe Report 16 Apr 2006 17:10

Brenda Could you put the census details you have on the children down for me please. And do you have the address and parish from the birth certs please what did it say fathers occupation was? Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 16 Apr 2006 17:03

Debbie Are these yours 1871 Charles H W Bill abt 1850 Gloucestershire, England Son St Marylebone London Edward W Bill abt 1857 Brompton Son St Marylebone London Emma Bill abt 1827 Kirkby Green, Herefordshire, England Wife St Marylebone London John W W Bill abt 1853 Gloucestershire, England Son St Marylebone London William White Bill abt 1829 Ledbury, Herefordshire, England Head St Marylebone London George Parish abt 1859 Narberth, Hertfordshire, England Visitor St Marylebone London ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Can you post 1881 details please maybe you will have to ask for a parish record lookup for her death. Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 16 Apr 2006 16:53

Trudi For that info you want I would advise you to ask on the tips board where you can get this info certain people may have looked at that area and maybe able to advise you where to go Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 16 Apr 2006 16:44

Lisa Where are they from do you have them in the 1901 census? Is this Frederick in 1901 Head is a Market Porter Address 11 Clarence street Albert Foot abt 1899 Mile End Old Town, London, England Son Bethnal Green London Frederick W Foot abt 1867 Peckham, London, England Head Bethnal Green London Frederick W Foot abt 1893 Mile End Old Town, London, England Son Bethnal Green London George Foot abt 1895 Mile End Old Town, London, England Son Bethnal Green London Harold T Foot abt 1900 Mile End Old Town, London, England Son Bethnal Green London Henry Foot abt 1897 Mile End Old Town, London, England Son Bethnal Green London Midian Foot abt 1869 Shoreditch, London, England Wife Bethnal Green London Emma House abt 1836 Mile End Old Town, London, England Aunt Bethnal Green London Thomas Lane abt 1847 Limerick, Ireland Boarder Bethnal Green London Do you have his first wifes death year? When & where was their first child born? What address is on the birth cert? Sorry for Q's just need to know where to look Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 16 Apr 2006 16:38

Tom Why dont you order one of the childrens birth certs to confirm mothers name? Name: Isabella Sellars Year of Registration: 1875 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Tynemouth County: Northumberland Volume: 10b Page: 261 Name: Mary Sellars Year of Registration: 1877 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Tynemouth County: Northumberland Volume: 10b Page: 257 Zoe

GinaS

GinaS Report 16 Apr 2006 16:33

Hi Zoe, On the two children by Lillian May Walker, she registered the births, and she has given her name as Lillian May Beverton formerly Walker, the latter child b. Oct.1920. Her address 3, Linom Road, Stockwell. On the child with Adele Willems, he registered the birth and she is down as Adele Marie Beverton late Suin formerly Willems, child b.June,1921. His address l, alderney Street, Pimlico. The dates are right!!! Would you have the name of the site for the Electoral Rolls. Thanks Zoe, this part of my tree is doing my head in.

BR

BR Report 16 Apr 2006 16:31

Hi Zoe, This is more of a nightmare than a mystery ! I cannot find d.o.b.'s or marriage for Robert Phipps and Rebecca Clarke. Have tried various alternative spelling plus Family Search and given myself a headache trawling through Ancestry records with no success. They do not feature on the 1851 Census and, if the Ancestry death record is for him, then he died in 1855 in the Strand area. A son, William, was born in 1846 and his birth cert clearly shows Rebecca Phipps, previously Clarke, as his mother. William and another brother, George, born 1851 are on the 1861 Census as sons of a Robert and Sarah Phipps. As this Robert is only 21 years of age then he must have ben a cousin who took in the two boys after the death of their father. William and George were born in the Strand area. I have found a Robert Skinner Phips on Family Search born 1811, baptised St Clement Danes in 1812 and this is the right area. Any help/ideas would be gratefully received.

Zoe

Zoe Report 16 Apr 2006 16:28

Me Smithy You need to order one of the marriage certs to get his fathers name then you maybe able to go a step further back.You need to order certs to confirm things. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ There are only 2 posiblities for him in 1851 one is a Grandson to a Park family and the other is a son to a Robert. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Maybe the 3rd marriage you found was his sons marriage. Name: Thomas Fallows Thompson Year of Registration: 1894 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Hartlepool (1859-1938) County: Co. Durham Volume: 10a Page: 226 Mary Ann Crooks on same page As on the 1901 Mary K Brennen abt 1880 Galway, Ireland Servant West Hartlepool Durham Florence M Crooks abt 1885 Hinderwell, Yorkshire, England Sister-in-law West Hartlepool Durham Mary A Thompson abt 1874 Hinderwell, Yorkshire, England Wife West Hartlepool Durham Thomas F Thompson abt 1872 Darlington, Durham, England Head West Hartlepool Durham Vera Thompson abt 1898 W Hpool, Durham, England Daughter West Hartlepool Durham Zoe

Emma

Emma Report 16 Apr 2006 16:24

Thanks for your reply, Zoe, Yes, I have William's birth year: 1811. I have checked for deaths. There is a death for a William Lusher in 1842, but I don't know how old this person was. If this is him, it doesn't explain why he didn't show up in the 1841 census. Could he have been in a poor house or infirmary?? I found a death for a Harriot Lusher in 1856, but again, if this is her, where was she in 41 & 51? Emma

Debbie

Debbie Report 16 Apr 2006 16:20

Hi Zoe i have one for you i have lost my gt gt grand mother Emma Bill she is on the 51 61 + 71 census as living with her husband but after that i cant find her and on the next one he has another wife and children . He remarried in 1875 at Marylebone but i cant find her i have gone through the deaths from 1871 _ 1875 but nothing her name is Emma Bill born about 1826 _ 1830 it seems to change born in Gloucestershire or Hererfordshire that changes as well perhaps you can find her .she would have died in Marylebone . thank you Debbie

Zoe

Zoe Report 16 Apr 2006 16:11

Georgina It should tell you on the birth certs who registered them. Ask on the tips board if they had to show evidence at births. Does the fathers address and occupation match on both birth certs. And do the marriage certs give the same occupation and fathers name as details? If you have addresses on the certs it maybe useful to see if you can look at the electoral rolls for those it may shed some light on your situation Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 16 Apr 2006 16:08

David What you are saying seems logical, maybe they didn't want records about his birth as she was unmarried have you contacted the parish for the area he was born at I know they had things called bastardy bonds, ask on the tips board as others maybe more helpful in explaining if you can get them or not. Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 16 Apr 2006 16:02

Gloryer So 1901 Head does something at a cement works Rosetta is a Dom servant John is a ordinary Ag Lab 5 Castle Street Alfred Pearson abt 1898 Swanscombe, Kent, England Son Swanscombe Kent Eliza Pearson abt 1894 Swanscombe, Kent, England Daughter Swanscombe Kent Elizabeth A Pearson abt 1889 Swanscombe, Kent, England Daughter Swanscombe Kent Ethel Pearson abt 1900 Swanscombe, Kent, England Daughter Swanscombe Kent 3 Months George Pearson abt 1900 Swanscombe, Kent, England Grandson Swanscombe Kent 5 months John Pearson abt 1886 Swanscombe, Kent, England Son Swanscombe Kent Minnie S Pearson abt 1883 Swanscombe, Kent, England Daughter Swanscombe Kent Richard Pearson abt 1854 Stone, Kent, England Head Swanscombe Kent Rosetta Pearson abt 1860 Northfleet, Kent, England Wife Swanscombe Kent Rosetta Pearson abt 1879 Swanscombe, Kent, England Daughter Swanscombe Kent Hmm after going back with the family in the censuses the eldest are Rosetta(22) & Minnie(18) & John (15) George could actually be one of the girls as all the children are down as single I think this maybe the right cert Name: George Pearson Year of Registration: 1900 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Dartford County: Kent Volume: 2a Page: 521 Because The 1901 Census for England was taken on the night of 31 March 1901 it states he is 5 months old this would make him born in the Dec quarter of 1900 and DARTFORD REGISTRATION DISTRICT Registration County : Kent. Created : 1.7.1837. Sub-districts : Bexley; Dartford; Erith; Farningham. GRO volumes : V (1837-51); 2a (1852-1930). Parishes in Kent (1837-1930): Ash, Bexley, Crayford, Darenth, Dartford, East Wickham, Erith, Eynsford, Farningham, Fawkham, Hartley, Horton Kirby, Kingsdown, Longfield, Lullingstone, Ridley, Southfleet, Stone by Dartford, Sutton at Hone, **Swanscombe**, Wilmington. and here is Ethels birth they may both have the same address on them you never know. And you can look through the Marriage & Birth GRO index at Ancestry for free at the moment Good hunting Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 16 Apr 2006 15:44

Pamela Could you please post the details here as not sure where you want me to look Zoe