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Hi Zoe Thank you so much for granny's info. l thought l had tried both on ancestry. Senior moment (again) l've got the application all ready and have added the page and volume numbers so l don't lose them again. Thanks again Zoe. Enjoy your day Kind regards Pam

Emma Do you have your grandad in any censuses if so please post them as Mary/May may have been in the same area Thanks Zoe

Linda 'I'M SPINNING AROUND LOL WELL MY HEAD IS' Going to need time to get my head around that. Have you checked the Scottish 1891 census as he may have been looking at places in census 1891. Do you know when they moved to Scotland? Zoe

Pamela Dec 1939 Carrie Cowdell Age:69 District: Surrey S.W Vol:2a Page:812 It was on Ancestry you have to goto the BETA version of BMD's Zoe

Hi Zoe Thanks for trying I don't have their first sons birth cert Thanks anyway. Jane

Dorothy Have you tried to get the 1841 census details for this family that may help as they were prob still at home ~ I don't have access Sorry Can you post the details of the 1871 census please so I can see what he states BP as ect. Thanks Zoe

hi zoe can you find a marriage for james aspin and elizabeth smith? they were both born in lancashire-burnley. James born 1841. I cant find a marriage for them, several others have looked too but i thought a fresh pair of eyes may be good. Also i have them on 1881 census with their children. i have him on the 1871 census as married but his wife isnt there so im looking for an elizabeth aspin on the 71 census. (name varies between aspin and aspen and possibly other variations too) this is them in 1881 James Aspen abt 1841 Burnley, Lancashire, England Head Habergham Eaves Lancashire Eliz. Aspen abt 1847 Burnley, Lancashire, England Wife Habergham Eaves Lancashire Sarah Ann Aspen abt 1875 Burnley, Lancashire, England Daughter Habergham Eaves Lancashire John Aspen abt 1878 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Son Habergham Eaves Lancashire Thomas Aspen Blackburn, Lancashire, England Son Habergham Eaves Lancashire lou

Hi Zoe Wonder whether you can help Looking for James P Dale born about 1838 in All Saints Newcastle upon Tyne, in the 1861 census he is living in Thornley (Easington) County Durham wife called Mary from Seaham harbour. (he is a coalminer) In the 1881 census he is living in Winlaton, Blaydon County Durham. Missing in the 1871 census, althouigh I did find an entry on the IGI (has to be checked out) he had a daughter Ann in 1866 at Stella, which is Blaydon, County Durham. Eyes going crossed! Many thanks Cherl

Hi Zoe thank,s for offer , could you please look up Richard Day he is on the 1881 census aged 1 living in Hartlepool with his gran,also in the house is a Margaret down as a daughter and a son named Thomas, l was wondering if on a later census Richard would show up as the son of Margaret or Thomas. thanks. If l am not being cheeky would you also look up Sara Jane Casey born in Hartlepool about 1886 , thank,s Carol

Jane 1901 ~ for ref This is them I hope Head is a Seaman Eliza Foreman abt 1873 Rye, Sussex, England Wife Gravesend Kent Harry Foreman abt 1893 Gravesend, Kent, England Son Gravesend Kent Henry Foreman abt 1865 Gravesend, Kent, England Head Gravesend Kent Maud Foreman abt 1892 Gravesend, Kent, England Daughter Gravesend Kent Richard Foreman abt 1900 Gravesend, Kent, England Son Gravesend Kent No sign of them at all do you think maybe he was away at sea have you got their first son Richards birth cert the address might help? Zoe

We don't have a cert for May and Joseph, on my grandads second marriage it does say widow, and he comes from newark but lived most of his life in Nottingham.

LOL :-) I know what you mean about the census, My head is spinning with the whole thing. I am now totally confused and I think I have totally confused you too. In Trying to answer you questions here goes..... John Morgan was born 1871 and is listed on the 1881 Census as the son of Ralph Marshall born 1853. This is incorrect as John Morgan was not Ralphs son He was Mary Marshalls brother as it correctly states on the 1891 Census, which lists him as the head age 20. This is what I am curious about, why is he the head and where is Ralph Marshall in 1891 along with his daugher Mary E born 1879 Thomas born 1877 IS the son of Mary and Ralph but the nephew of John Morgan as is Thomas age4 The Mary Morgan on the 1891 Census age 47 widow is not on the 1881 census, it was Mary Marshall her daughter who is on the 1881 census born 1857 and born in Ireland (boy her mother had her young didnt she I just noticed that one) So she is not the widow of Ralph Marshall born 1853 she is his mother in law. So......... judging by the 1891 census the way I read it is, Mary Marshall is living with her 2 sons with her brother John Morgan age 20 and her mother Mary Morgan aged 47 but where are her husband Ralph Marshall b1853 and her daughter Mary E living? As to the 1901 Scotland Census, yes they are all accounted for. Your thinking 'Clear as mud right?' Sorry for the hassle Dont waste anymore time on it if you have better things to do Thanks Linda

Emma Do you have a marriage cert for May/Mary and your grandfather? Did they have any children together? On your grandfathers second marriage cert does it say Widow? Which area does your granddad originate? Sorry for questions but need to know I'm looking in the right places Zoe

Hi Zoe Please could you look for a death for me. Carrie Cowdell Dec qtr 1939 Surrey l was given it a long time ago but seem to have mislaid the info. l need the volume and page number so l can send for the cert Carrie is my g/grandmother. l have searched free bmd and ancestry but cannot find it. Thanks in advance Kind regards Pam

Ann Have you actually ordered the deaths cert as it may hold some info that will help you out maybe residence at time of death just so we can see who registered him and where he died ect. It may be the missing link you are looking for as on the 1881 census you can do an address search.**So you mean you haven't found any of the family in 1881 is that correct?** I have looked also must be so badly mistranscribed only thing I think you should do if you haven't done it is trawl through Kensington districts on images you never know what you will come across, it's all I can think of I had to do this with one of my ancestors whose surname was Kellett but mistranscribed Roberts (Doh) the thing was there was not even a Roberts on that page and the image was so clear. Here is Anns second marriage~just incase you didn't have it Marriages Dec 1889 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Killingbeck Anne Scarborough 9d 706 Lawson John Hartas Scarborough 9d 706 Zoe

Hi Zoe I am really struggling to find my 2x Great Grandparents on any census returns. The only information I have is that Charles Pratt married Maria Wiginton in 1827 in Heston, Middlesex. On the IGI are baptisms at Isleworth, M/sex of children William Pratt 1830 and Maria Pratt 1831. I do have William in Staffs from 1871 onwards, he married Sophia Seaton from Gawcott, Bucks, no marriage record found as yet. I would love to find out where his parents came from so any information would be very welcome. Regards Ann

Stuart You can find her maiden name out by finding a childs birth cert~that will have both parents names on it. Now think this may be him in 1851 Bear Inn Head is a Innkeeper Richard Davis abt 1831 Oswestry, Shropshire, England Lodger Oswestry Shropshire Joseph James abt 1833 Whittington, Shropshire, England Brother Oswestry Shropshire Ann Lewis abt 1843 Llanarmon, Denbighshire, Wales Daughter Oswestry Shropshire Mary Lewis abt 1823 Llanarmon, Denbighshire, Wales Wife Oswestry Shropshire Richard Lewis abt 1846 Oswestry, Shropshire, England Son Oswestry Shropshire Thomas Lewis abt 1818 Llansillin, Denbighshire, Wales Head Oswestry Shropshire Thomas Lewis abt 1848 Oswestry, Shropshire, England Son Oswestry Shropshire Ann Morris abt 1831 Pontfain, Shropshire, England Servant Oswestry Shropshire Elizabeth Morris abt 1834 Selyttin, Shropshire, England Servant Oswestry Shropshire James Parry abt 1831 Oswestry, Shropshire, England Lodger Oswestry Shropshire William Roberts abt 1821 Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales Visitor Oswestry Shropshire Source information: HO107/1993 Registration district: Oswestry Sub-registration district: *Knockin* ED, institution, or vessel: 2d Folio: 591 Page: 8 Household schedule number: 28 Oswestry Created 1st July 1837. Mainly in Shropshire, but included parts of Denbighshire. Sub-districts : Knockin; Llansilin; Oswestry; St. Martin. GRO volumes : XVIII (1837-51); 6a (1852-1930). Bron-y-Garth, Ifton Rhyn, **Kinnerley**, **Knockin**, Llanyblodwel, Llanymynech, Oswestry, Ruyton of the Eleven Towns, Selattyn, St. Martin's, Sychtyn, West Felton, Weston Rhyn, Whittington. Possibly your Richards birth Births Sep 1847 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lewis Richard Distict: Oswestry Volume 18 Page 113 Ok you need to find a child's birth cert to get mothers maiden name then should be able to fins the marriage from marriage cert you will get Fathers names and occupations this will clrify whether the above in 1851 is yours.. You can use freeBMD or ancestry to find births Zoe

Hi Zoe Thanks for your offer,several people have tried to help find my Grt-Grt Grandparents with no luck so far. They are missing from the 1891 Census. Henry James Foreman born abt 1864 Gravesend Kent Eliza Jane Foreman born abt 1870 Rye Sussex. They were married in Strood Kent August 1890 adress they gave was Perry Street Northfleet May 1891 their first child was born in Rye Sussex. 1901 census they are in Gravesend kent Hope you can help with their children. Jane

Margaret Do you have her marriage cert? If so does it have a fathers name on it? Strange it fits that the family you named have a tavern and a adopted daughter of the same first name what was her name when she married was it Smith? Because you know trying to find her will be V V hard! Not sure about an abandoned baby book but if you ask on main board they should be able to guide you where to look.. Zoe

Alan 1881 ~1 Katherine Cottage Nottidge Rd Head is a General Smith as is Ivan Alfred Jennings abt 1841 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Head Ipswich St Helen Suffolk Drusella Jennings abt 1870 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Daughter Ipswich St Helen Suffolk Emma Jennings abt 1835 Bramford, Suffolk, England Wife Ipswich St Helen Suffolk Ivan Jennings abt 1865 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Son Ipswich St Helen Suffolk Salam E. Jennings abt 1868 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Daughter Ipswich St Helen Suffolk Vasilesa Jennings abt 1867 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Daughter Ipswich St Helen Suffolk Source information: RG12/1877 Registration district: Ipswich Sub registration district: St Margaret ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Folio: 104 Page: 16 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ok found his parents in 1891 Alfred Jennings abt 1835 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Head St Helen Suffolk Drusilla Jennings abt 1870 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Daughter St Helen Suffolk Emma Jennings abt 1835 Bramford, Suffolk, England Wife St Helen Suffolk Source information: RG12/1473 Registration district: Ipswich Sub registration district: Ipswich Eastern ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Folio: 95 Page: 18 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Also found his other 2 siblings working as servants in Suffolk* Do you know when he got married? 1901~ I do think the head is Ivan but maybe misspelt as Iavin Head is a Carriage & waggon smith 53 Milton Street Emma N C Jennings abt 1899 Woodgate, Leicestershire, England Daughter South Manchester Lancashire Emmaretta Jennings abt 1872 Swilland, Suffolk, England Wife South Manchester Lancashire Emmaretta V Jennings abt 1896 Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England Daughter South Manchester Lancashire Iavin Jennings abt 1865 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Head South Manchester Lancashire Reginald J Jennings abt 1894 Earl Stonham, Suffolk, England Son South Manchester Lancashire Victoria A Jennings abt 1898 Chatteris, Cambridgeshire, England Daughter South Manchester Lancashire They seem to have had children away from Suffolk also I do hope this is of some help Zoe