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Tricky Family History - census gaps I am trying to find out more about my GG Grandfather John Thomas Wheeler, born Gloucester in March 1853 and his parents & siblings - his parent are Thomas Wheeler (Stone Mason) and June Wheeler (formerly Creed). They were married in Q4 1852. June was born in Upton St Leonards, Gloucester (although for some strange reason on some census records it shows Upton St Leonards as being in Worcestershire). In 1851 she is still June Creed and is an umarried Dressmaker living in Barton St Mary Gloucester. Can't find her in 1861. In 1871 she is in Cheltenham and has two sons (William 18 and George 12) but no sign of John Thomas who it would appear was living elsewhere in Cheltenham as a Tailors Apprentice. In 1881she is a widow living in Cheltenham. in 1891 she is living in Cheltenham with an Alfred Wheeler age 25(assume her son). Thomas Wheeler is a mystery - I have serached records on the 1861 census for a Thomas Wheeler who is a stonemason in Gloucestershire and the only one I could find was aged 27 and was a criminal prisoner (i.e. in gaol) in Gloucester and his occupation is listed as Stonemason. I then looked on 1851 census and found a Thomas Wheeler living in Cheltenham aged 17, and interestingly his father William B Wheeler was a stonemason and Thomas was what looks like a labourer?. Can't seem to find him on a census after 1861 So the questions are: Where are June Wheeler and her children on the 1861 census? What happened to Thomas Wheeler after his 'stretch' in prison in 1861. Jane shows appears to show as 'married' on the 1871 census (but Thomas is not at the same address) but by 1881 she is a widow. Can anyone give me any pointers please? TVM Chris

June was born abt 1827

JUST SPREADING THE INFO OUT - HOPE IT HELPS> John Thomas Wheeler, born Gloucester in March 1853 parent are Thomas Wheeler (Stone Mason) and June Wheeler (formerly Creed). They were married in Q4 1852. June was born in Upton St Leonards, Gloucester In 1851 she is still June Creed and is an umarried Dressmaker living in Barton St Mary Gloucester. Can't find her in 1861. In 1871 she is in Cheltenham and has two sons (William 18 and George 12) but no sign of John Thomas who it would appear was living elsewhere in Cheltenham as a Tailors Apprentice. In 1881she is a widow living in Cheltenham. in 1891 she is living in Cheltenham with an Alfred Wheeler age 25(assume her son). Thomas Wheeler is a mystery - I have serached records on the 1861 census for a Thomas Wheeler who is a stonemason in Gloucestershire and the only one I could find was aged 27 and was a criminal prisoner (i.e. in gaol) in Gloucester and his occupation is listed as Stonemason. I then looked on 1851 census and found a Thomas Wheeler living in Cheltenham aged 17, and interestingly his father William B Wheeler was a stonemason and Thomas was what looks like a labourer?. Can't seem to find him on a census after 1861 So the questions are: Where are June Wheeler and her children on the 1861 census? What happened to Thomas Wheeler after his 'stretch' in prison in 1861. J ane shows appears to show as 'married' on the 1871 census (but Thomas is not at the same address) but by 1881 she is a widow. Can anyone give me any pointers please? TVM Chris

Thanks Margaret and Nicky I haven't managed to work out how to do that yet - it does look a bit confusing as one big block - looks much better now.

Hi Chris...Ive had a quick look but as you say no 'obvious' sign of June in 1861. It would help if you could paste the censuses you have already found on the thread...(a quick tip.....When you put a request for help and its a long explanation/query.....just put in a short title and add that then go back into the thread and add the rest as a reply.....that way you can space out the request so its easier to read). Best regards Suzanne

So June, and her sons also, are 'missing' in 1861? Just a thought, if the husband was a stonemason, might they be living in a different area for work purposes? Jay

I have tried to find June in 1871 so that I could paste it on the thread but cant find her? Is she still a Wheeler in 1871? Suzanne

1881 for reference - from place of birth of sons, assume she must be in Cheltenham in 1861? Alfred C. Wheeler abt 1866 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son 4 Victoria Square, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England George A. Wheeler abt 1859 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son , Cheltenham, Jane Wheeler abt 1827 Upton, Gloucestershire, England Head

Census records for June Wheeler (formerly Creed) 1851 Jane Creed abt 1827 Upton St Leonards, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Barton St Mary Gloucestershire George Davis abt 1816 Hasfield, Gloucestershire, England Head Barton St Mary Gloucestershire George Marks Davis abt 1846 St John's, Gloucestershire, England Son Barton St Mary Gloucestershire Julia Carle Davis abt 1849 Barton St Michl, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Barton St Mary Gloucestershire Mary Anne Davis abt 1822 Lastle, Moreton Wife Barton St Mary Gloucestershire 1861???? 1871 George Wheeler abt 1859 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son St Mary Gloucestershire Jane Wheeler abt 1827 Upha Fleeamder (Image actually says Upton St Leonard), Worcestershire, England Wife St Mary Gloucestershire William Wheeler abt 1853 Gloster, Gloucestershire, England Son St Mary Gloucestershire 1881 Alfred C. Wheeler abt 1866 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son 4 Victoria Square, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England George A. Wheeler abt 1859 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son 4 Victoria Square, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Jane Wheeler abt 1827 Upton, Gloucestershire, England Head 4 Victoria Square, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England 1891 Alfred Wheeler Age 25 Head Gerttrude Wheeler Age 26 Wife Jane Wheeler Age 64 Widow Cheltenham, Gloucester

Census Records for Thomas Wheeler 1851 Elizabeth Cary abt 1801 Winchomt, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Cheltenham Gloucestershire John Cas Wadalinder abt 1801 Luellor, Shropshire, England Lodger Cheltenham Gloucestershire Mary Wheeler abt 1808 Winchomt, Gloucestershire, England Wife Cheltenham Gloucestershire Sarah Ann Wheeler abt 1837 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cheltenham Gloucestershire Thomas Wheeler abt 1834 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Cheltenham Gloucestershire William B Wheeler abt 1799 Poulton, Wiltshire, England Head Cheltenham Gloucestershire 1861 Thomas Wheeler abt 1834 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Crime Prisn North Hamlet Gloucestershire 1871 onwards ????

Not having much luck to-night, another one I can't find. Hopefully others will be more successful. Good luck.

Suzanne, See my list of census entries - it doesm't help that place of birth is displayad in search as Upha Fleeamder (Image actually says Upton St Leonard), Chris

Just to explain further my theory was that if i could find Jane Wheeler on the 1861 census and Thomas Wheeler wasn't at the same address it would add further weight to the argument that it is in fact he who is in prison in 1861 but now that i can't find Jane I am even more confused? Chris

AAAHHH Found June/Jane and possibly children: In workhouse: 1861: J W abt 1827 Upton St Leonard, Gloucestershire, England Inmate Cheltenham Gloucestershire (married - Dressmakers Assistant) J W abt 1852 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Inmate Cheltenham Gloucestershire (Scholar) W W abt 1855 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Inmate Cheltenham Gloucestershire (scholar) Suzanne

Any other suggestions out there?