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i want to know more about this 'Clifford' before i look any more. You say you know who he married- 1)- when did he marry (if you have said before,tell me again) 2)- what children did he have? 3)- when did he have them? 4)-when did he die? 5-where did he die? PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT CLIFFORD!!- it will help to find his birth! jess Just tidying up a bit....................... --------------------------------------------------- so that is 13 , just missing clifford Eva 1922 --(gap) Gilbert 1917 june --(gap) Hannah V 1913 Dec married Beckett 1936 HFW PEARL. V 1912 march --(Gap) Corelli James 1909 March Births --(gap) Bertie 1907 June Births Alice Berenice 1906 March Births --(gap) Frederick John 1904 December Births Doris Annie 1903 March Births > died 1903 Edith Mary 1902 March Births William 1900 September Births William Henry G 1899 March < died 1889

Yes please, I have emailed you at your mailbox. As the mesage said, I don't recognise any of the names, but I think you may have found THE original Corelli. My grandparents said he was a sailor - foreign produce agent? - and that he was spanish...could have been Italian, as the Corelli you found, so thanks you're brilliant! Beth

Thank you very much that is interesting, because although in my family Corelli is a forname, the first one was named after a Spanish/Italian/Greek sailor I think, so maybe it was the Sailor's surname? Is that what Rome naturalized means? That he came from Rome? Also do you think the Marguerite O from the 1891 census and the Osbor M from the 1901 census are the same person as they are both daughters born in the same year and share initials just swapped round? Beth

I haven't looked in the 1901 but I have in the 1881. Can you please copy and paste the Corelli's from the 1901? And no, Clifford seems to have never existed, but his poor mother with 13 babies was a hero!

Good idea but Corelli's middle name was James and he married Isabel Griffiths in the same year as Clifford married Violet Ryan. The marriage reg doesn't have his age and I don't own the certificate...suppose buying it would be the next step, but I would rather find it on here or at the library, there must be a way! Also, Corelli is a family name. Corelli James' grandad was Corelli William, so one of them was bound to be named Corelli...it still is a family name come to think of it!

Thanks for your help Jess. Night.

Going to Bed! will look in the morning...like i said about half an hour ago! **Just seen your lat rply. we have found EVERY Thynn born HFWest. with the right MMN and noted them. there were no just C's or (anything) Clifford/ (anything) Clifford or we'd have found them leave it until the morning now jess > 1932 inc- so i dont forget

There's no missing data between 1909 and 1912. Maybe Clifford was his middle name and we should be looking for a C initial?

In 1922 they were both 47 - a ripe old age! I think Clifford must have been born between 1909 and 1912 because there's a big gap and during that time they were both 36-39 which makes more sense than having another in their forties...they probably had to slow down because of infertility hence the gaps. I'm going to check if there's any quarterly gaps between 1909 and 1912.

didnt stop him producing Eva in 1922 - how old was he then? they older they get, the less likely we are to find Clifford, anywhere but the Guiness book of records, what else do you know about him? where and when did he die?

Ooooh yeah that's a good point. Gave poor old Martha a break if that's why! But in 1914 Corelli Sr was 39, so maybe not...he could still be called up then though right?

dont forget there was a war 1914> he may well have been called up,hence the gap. i checked every realistic quater , quarter by quarter for every year. ie a birth , then skip 9 months and start again

I didn't note them. I'll go back and look through then post the reply. But the obvious ones from my notes are sometime between 1909 and 1912 (Corelli and Pearl). And 1913 - 1917 (Hannah and Gilbert) and 1917 - 1922 (Gilbert - Eva)

which quarters have you spotted as missing that she could concievably have given birth in?

I just realised she had Eva when she was 47! Poor woman. Quite a mystery eh?!

which quarters have you spotted as missing that she could concievably have given birth in?

I mean the missing quarter years. I reckon she could have had babies from the marriage up until she was forty she certainly didn't hold back did she?! I won't delete it.

what missing years? I havent found any missing years! You'd be better off continuing to look onwards for Clifford

I am looking myself. Yes I found Eva too. Quite a mystery as to where Clifford is as he's one of the only ones who I was sure existed! Thanks for your help Jess and it would be fantastic if you looked in the morning please. I'm going to pop into the city library some time this weekend or half term to see if they have the missing years and to try to locate Clifford. Thanks again, Beth

You spotted Eva on my last reply? Will look again in the morning for the infamous Clifford ,,my eyes are tired now. PLEASE LEAVE THIS REQUEST ON UNTIL THE MORNING - please dont delete it Why dont you want to look yourself? it isnt hard!