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At A Loss! Can ANYONE HELP? My great grandfather Joseph Dale
1872/3 .In the 1891 census ,he was living with grandmother, martha,possibly aged 71. joseph was aged 18. Please can anyone tel me who josephs parents are? He was at nether hallam and 10 years later on 1901 he was with Ada, his wife. thanks joanne.

Can you not find him in 1881?

He's with his grandma on the 81 census too. His full name there is Joseph Henry Dale and it says they were all born Crookes, Yorkshire.

No, cannot find him or his parents in 1881. plz help

oh great, have you got the details to hand please!

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Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Crookes, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Nether Hallam
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: 201 Crookes
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration district: Nether Hallam
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
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Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Dale 15
Joseph Henry Dale 8
Martha Dale 60
Martha Elizabeth Dale 20

I was hoping Martha was his big sister so we could find her in 71 but it says she is daughter of Martha aged 60

I dont know the area, but possible birth: Eccleshall covers Nether Hallam.

You are going to have to buy the cert to get his parents £7 from GRO online. Do you not have a marriage for him which would at least give dads name so you could tie it into the birth?

Births Sep 1872
DALE Joseph Henry Ecclesall B. 9c 247

Here's Grandma Martha on the 1871 census
West side of Crookes?, No. 159, Nether Hallam, Yorkshire
George Dale, head, 51, table blade grinder, born Yorks, Stannington
Martha, wife, 49, charwoman, born Yorks, Crookes Sheffield
George, son, 22, table blade grinder, born Yorks, Cloughficke? Sheffield
Frederic, son, 18, table blade grinder, born same as above
Henry, son, 16, invalid, born same as above
Ellen, dau, 11, born Crookes Sheffield
Martha E., dau, 9, born same as above
Frank, son, 5, born same as above

Hi Joanne,

There's a Joseph Henry Dale in the Birth Records for 1872, GRO Ref: Q3 1872 9b 558 Leeds.

This could be him, I can't see any other Joseph H's born with the next 2 years in Yorkshire.

Cheers

Phil

Ah, there's another below him born in Eccelsall B 9b 247

Isn't he the one who's a widower on the 1901 census? He's a visitor at the Bailey household in Birmingham. He's age 29, born Sheffield, a printer and has 2 children with him Thomas 9 and Blanch 5, both born Birmingham.

Update, Sorry, no, found him in 1901 he's Joe Dale with wife Ada and children Mabel 4 and Willie 2 and then another child Freddie age 11. Ada's from a previous relationship?

Id already added the Eccleshall one as that covers the area he is in at Nether Hallam Phil but you seem to have a different vol no. Was that freebmd?

Heather,

Yes, you got to it whilst I was still looking, and I'm ashamed to say the vol was down to typing too quickly, many apologies :-(

Phil

No, I wasnt being critical Phil, just wanted to know if the freebmd one needed correcting.

hi phil,thanks for your reply. this is my origanal question above. thanks. joanne

Hi Joanne,

Done a bit of digging, and I'm as confused as you. I tracked down John, Frederick & George as the only likely candidates as Joseph's father.
John married a Fanny Isabel and had 8 kids by 1881 but they had ones in 1872 & 73, so they're unlikely to also have had Joseph.

Frederick married an Ada and had their 1st child in 1879, so that's a no go.

George married an Isabella and their first child was in 1877, so no go again.

My only thought is that Joseph is the son of one of the daughters, born out of wedlock therefore keeping the Dale name.

Cheers

Phil