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Hi Chris
If you read my reply again you will see that Jane Kirby(1st wife ) died 1886 and Joseph remarried in 1889 to Jane Rebecca White.
Also born in two different places.Ist Jane born Hammersmith,2nd Jane born Paddington.

Very confusing having 2 wives called Jane!!!

Regards
Mary

Hi Mary
Re Kirby family
Iv'e just been taking a closer look at the record you sent me and I think they must have made some mistakes along the way,tell me what you think.
Firstly Jane is age 27 in 1881 census & age 25 in 1891 census plus marriage to Joseph is 1889,yet she had children and was married in 1881census.
The death record is 1886,yet I know that she was still alive when daughter Edith married Robert Tanner in 1911.
Do you think they are different people?
It must be the same ones in the censuses as the childrens names and ages match
What do you think?
Best Regards Chris.

Mary,

Thanks for looking - as you say back to square 1

Ivor

Hi Mary.
My Grand-Mother Annie Callaghan was born abt
1869-1870 in Middlesbrough so im told.
Her father Patrick Callaghan i believe was born in
Ireland, not sure on the date but abt 1840 or 42.
Just cant find where in Ireland...also trying to find
Annie's Mother's name.
Many..Many thanks if you can help me...June.

Hi Teresa

Reference for death of Teresa Mary Weston DOB 21/7/1962 Chiltern District
District Code 3271C
Register Number L3C
December 1999

Mary

Hello Ivor
Had a look at the 1901 census and the parents shown for John R Fletcher are Charles and Charlotte,so it would seem that is not the correct family.
It is also more than likely that the birth I found in Clun is not your chap.
Back to square 1.Sorry

Mary

Hi Mary could you please look up a death for me. Its a fairly recent one, but I'm not sure of the area. Teresa Weston 16.12.99
Thank you

Mary
Thank you sooo much!!
I don't know what i'd have done without you
Regards Chris

Hi Chris
SUCCESS!!!!!

1901 18 Netley St,Paddington St Mary,London
Joe Kirby Head 58 Chimney Sweep b Kilburn
Jane Kirby Wife 35 b Paddington
Edward Kirby Son 10 b Paddington
Herbert Kirby Son 7 b Paddington
Edith Kirby Daur 5 b Paddington

1891 10 Blomfield Mews,Paddington St Mary
Joseph Kirby Head 46 Chimney Sweep b Kilburn
Jane Kirby Wife 25 b Paddington
Joseph Kirby Son 12 Scholar b Paddington
John Kirby Son 10 Scholar b Paddington
William Kirby Son 6 Scholar b Paddington
Edward Kirby Son 7mths b Paddington

Joseph Kirby/Jane Rebecca White Dec Qtr 1889 Paddington 1a 128

1881 14 Blomfield Mews,Paddington St Mary
Joseph Kirby Head 35 Chimney Sweep b Kilburn
Jane Kirby Wife 27 b Hammersmith
Ellen Kirby Daur 4 Scholar b Paddington
Joseph Kirby Son 2 b Paddington
John Kirby Son 3mths b Paddington

Jane Kirby death age 32 Sept Qtr 1886 Paddington 1a 30

Breathes sigh of relief!!!

Kind Regards
Mary

Hi Mary,

Sorry to bother you again but doing a search at http://www.1901censusonline.com/ I was able to find that there was John R Fletcher living in Clun, Salop in 1901 - does he not come up on ancestry searching.

I would very much like to know, if it is not too much trouble, about the rest of the family as I think this may be who I am looking for,

Cheers

Ivor

Hi Mary
Deleted my reply(sent mess to explain).
The Sarah i found on Findmypast had parents Walter Parker b. 1855 and Mary b. 1857ish. living in Hornsey St Islington. Please can i ask you to look for them on 1891 census to see if they have daughter Florence as know she was Sarahs sister. (was not on 1881). Still trying to work out Edward Fletchers b cert! so will be back to ask you another favour!
Kind regards
Dorothy.

Hi Mary
Re Kirby family
Have just received Edith Ellens birth cert
Parents Joseph Kirby Chimney sweep Mother Jane Rebecca Kirby(nee White)
Edith Ellen was born 6/1/1896 parents living at 91 Woodchester st Paddington sub district Saint Mary registered 11/2/1886
So I was right in assuming that she was only 15 when she got married
If you can find any info on the family I would be most grateful Regards Chris

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Hello Mary,

Many thanks for the snippets.

Hope you have a good weekend!!

Vera.

Hi Dorothy
Which census did you find Sarah M Fletcher on as I cannot find her.

Mary

Hi Vera
Sorry not much to report.I have tried all the tricks I have learned over the years to find the Sturt family in 1861.I went back to 1851 census and did an address search on findmypast but theyu were not there.
I have searched 1861 on both Ancestry and findmy past but just cannot locate them,however here are some more snippets you may not have.

Caroline Sturt death registered June Qtr 1860 West London 1c 43

Isaac Sturt/Caroline O'Brien March Qtr 1843 London 2 80

Isaac Sturt age 72 death registered Dec Qtr 1889
Islington 1b 160

Sorry not to be more positive.

Mary

Mary,

Thanks very much for your efforts so far. The John Richard F birth in Clun could be right and this is followed by a marriage in 1899 between a Joseph Fletcher and Elizabeth Gardener also in Clun, so may be the family are in Clun, Shropshire in 1901. I believe sister Janet retained her mother's maiden name (GARDENER) maybe indicating that she was born (like John R) before the parents married. This is all conjecture at the moment and maybe copies of the birth and marriage certs are needed........

Cheers and thanks

Ivor

Hi Mary,
Back again!...with Sarah M Fletcher.b 1874.Islington.
Please can you look her up on 1881 census as i only found Hornsey St and would like to know who is with her. Thankyou for your help with 1891... yes was a bit of a coincidence !!
Regards
Dorothy

Hello Mary,

Well you did it again..........thanks!

Would it be possible to take another look in:
1861 census please. You looked before I know, maybe there is a mistranscription.

Sturt, Isaac 1817.
Mary, wife.
Isaac 14
John 12
Henry10
William 7

It is possible that Mary was already deseased.

Many Thanks,
Vera.

Hello Ivor
At the moment I cannot find the Fletcher family in either England or Wales.
I have searched the Full BMD index and cannot find a birth for John Richard Fletcher 1893 to 1897 apart from this one John Richard Fletcher June Qtr 1894 Clun 6a 515.
Do you have the marriage for Joseph/Elizabeth.
Do you know when Janet and Fred were born and where??
Any snippet may help,as I am really struggling to find them.

Mary