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Have marriage cert and census records for my Gt. Grandfather John Wilkinson, born Penwortham, Preston 1853, but can't trace his birth certificate.
Listed with parents John and Jane , and later with wife Isabella and son John Henry on censuses.
I have obtained birth certs for siblings born before and after him (all same parents) but the 4 possible certs for John in Preston don't have matching parents.
Beginning to suspect he was adopted

Trying again.

so this is him in 1861

John Wilkinson
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Penwortham, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Preston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Preston
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Preston
Sub-registration district: Preston
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 244
Household Members:
Name Age
John Wilkinson 35
Jane Wilkinson 35
Ann Wilkinson 16
Hellen Wilkinson 14
Thomas Wilkinson 13
Henry Wilkinson 11
John Wilkinson 7
William Wilkinson 5
Jane Wilkinson 2
Mary Wilkinson 2 Mo
William Damac 5 orphan

JOHN WILKINSON Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
11 APR 1852 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JOHN WILKINSON Family
Mother: JANE

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C073543

Births Mar 1851 (>99%)
Wilkinson John Preston 21 692
Births Jun 1853 (>99%)
WILKINSON John Preston 8e 412
Births Sep 1853 (>99%)
WILKINSON John Preston 8e 395
Births Mar 1854 (>99%)
Wilkinson John Preston 8e 417
Births Jun 1854 (99%)
WILKINSON John Preston 8e 435
Births Dec 1854 (>99%)
Wilkinson John Thomas Preston 8e 399
Births Sep 1855 (>99%)
Wilkinson John Preston 8e 392

Yes Victoria. right family.
The last child actually reads William Daniel 5 Orphan.
He was Jane's brother's child.
Which makes it all the more curious that if they had taken John in, one would have thought they would give his birth name too, like they did for william.

The Manchester baptism is interesting, but I requested a search of all those birth certs registered in Preston and was told none had the right parents.

Baptisms: 21 Jun 1863 St Mary, Penwortham, Lancashire, England
George Wilkinson - Son of John Wilkinson & Jane
Abode: Preston
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: T. R. Finch Curate
Register: Baptisms 1857 - 1900, Page 33, Entry 257
Source: LDS Film 1526058


this is on the online parish clerks but can't find any other of the children

This is John's brother.
I know there is a problem with records for this church (something to do with a fire).


Jane had 13 children altogether ( the first , Ann was born Daniel in March 1945.) John and Jane (nee Daniel) married in June 1945.

Thanks for looking Victoria

Michael


don't forget that if you give parents' names as a reference for checking, and tey are slightly fifferent from what is actually on the certificate ..... then GRO would not send the certificate to you.


This if you put Jane, and the recod shows Jean for some reason, they say it is wrong.


Note that they no longer do those reference checks!





sylvia

Have you tried

www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/




sylvia

Thanks Sylvia,
Yes I've tried Lancs OPC and Lancashirebmd - no joy.

I was in the office while they checked out the certs and the lady said none had John and Jane as parents and none had Daniel as a maiden name.

I could be reading something into it which is not there but I find it strange that there is a 4 year gap before John was born ( this lady was churning them out every other year for over 20 years)
I've even wondered whether they split up then got back together again !

perhaps there was another child during those 4 years


............... a stillbirth, which would not be recorded anywhere


or possible a live child that lived only a very short while



We believe that OH's gt gt grandfather might have had one more child before the last one was born in 1860 ...... but can find no trace of it

Thar last one is officially no 20, all of whom lived at least 20 years ............. and she is the only one who has more than one forename. She has 3.

The first forename is Vicesima, which means 21 in Latin

Plus the next sister above her (born 1858) was still alive through the 1930s and told my f-i-l that there was one more child born between the two of them.





sylvia

I had a look on http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/ to see if the GRO had mistranscribed his birth. It doesn't seem so - I guess his birth wasn't rego'ed. His parents were:

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1845
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WILKINSON John DANIEL Jane Penwortham, St Mary Preston 223/2A/354

There are 3 WILKINSON-DANIEL kids missing from 1861 list. One's a variant surname, and one's a premature pregnancy, and lastly, there's John missing.

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1858
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WILKINSON Jane Preston Preston DANIELS PRES/107/5

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1845
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DANIEL Ann Longton Preston DANIEL LONG/4/46

Where have you found details of the "premature pregnancy" you say is missing from records..
Can you tell me the date please. ?

I assume the variant is Helen/Ellen