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Kathleen
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9 Sep 2010 19:38 |
Hi, can anyone find Emily Violet Wilkinson, who would be living with her parents in any census before and including the 1911 census. She would have been living in Northumberland, probably Morpeth. She was married in Dec 1911. She married John Phillipson Bell, but thats another line I have’nt looked into yet. This is a new line I have sent for four certs to confirm names, but will have to wait for them to arrive. I dont have any census records for them yet. Any help welcome Thanks Kathy
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MarieCeleste
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9 Sep 2010 19:45 |
Closest I could find at first pass:
DAVISON, Margaret Head Widow F 62 1849 Shop Keeper Groceries Morpeth Northumberland WILKINSON, Emily Neice Visitor Single F 22 1889 None Ellington Northumberland RG number: RG14 Piece: 31003 Reference: RG14PN31003 RG78PN1774 RD564 SD1 ED7 SN93 Registration District: Morpeth Sub District: Morpeth Enumeration District: 7 Parish: Freeholders Quarter Address: Longhorsley Morpeth County: Northumberland
Oops -forgot to say this was 1911.
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patchem
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9 Sep 2010 19:59 |
? 1891 England Census Emily V Wilkinson Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1889 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: John Wilkinson Mother's Name: Emma Wilkinson Gender: Female Where born: Northd, Ellington; Woodhorn Civil parish: Ellington Ecclesiastical parish: Cresswell Town: Ellington County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street Address: Registration district: Morpeth Sub-registration district: Bedlington ED, institution, or vessel: 22 John Wilkinson 37 coal miner Rothbury Emma Wilkinson 33 Pegswood Fred Wilkinson 13 John Hy Wilkinson 9 Victor L Wilkinson 5 Emily V Wilkinson 2 Glayds Wilkinson 5/12 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4260; Folio 24; Page 3; GSU roll: 6099370.
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patchem
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9 Sep 2010 20:02 |
1901 England Census Emily Wilkinson Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1889 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: John Wilkinson Mother's Name: Emma Wilkinson Gender: Female Where born: Ellington; Rothbury Civil parish: Wingates Ecclesiastical parish: Longhorsley County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Rothbury Sub-registration district: Rothbury ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Household schedule number: 8 John Wilkinson 47 coal miner Northd, Beths Head Nothamtton Emma Wilkinson 42 Northd, Pegswood NW Morpeth Fred Wilkinson 23 Henry Wilkinson 19 Victor Wilkinson 15 Emily Wilkinson 12 Gladys Wilkinson 10 Dellis Wilkinson 8 George Wilkinson 5 Gerald Wilkinson 3 Lizzie Wilkinson 5 MO Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4850; Folio: 105; Page: 2.
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GlitterBaby
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9 Sep 2010 20:04 |
1911 a poss
BELL, Robert Head Married M 46 1865 Under-Manager Northumberland Bedlington VIEW BELL, Mary Wife Married 22 years F 44 1867 Northumberland Bedlington VIEW BELL, John Philipson Son Single M 21 1890 Deputy-Overman Northumberland Bedlington VIEW BELL, Thomas Son Single M 18 1893 Fireman And Boiler Minder Northumberland Bedlington VIEW BELL, Robert Andrew Son Single M 15 1896 Screener Northumberland Bedlington VIEW BELL, Mary Evelyn Daughter F 13 1898 Northumberland Bedlington VIEW BELL, William Son M 8 1903 Northumberland Bedlington VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG14 Piece: 31015 Reference: RG14PN31015 RG78PN1775 RD564 SD2 ED1 SN69 Registration District: Morpeth Sub District: Bedlington Enumeration District: 1 Parish: Hepscott Address: Barmoor Bank Hepscott Morpeth
Births Mar 1890 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bell John Philipson Morpeth 10b 383
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**Ann**
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9 Sep 2010 20:08 |
census - household transcription Person: BELL, John Philipson Address: Barmoor Bank Hepscott Morpeth Cost: You will be charged 10 credits for a transcript and 30 credits for an image, unless you have purchased a subscription for this set of records. census search results all search results redefine current search Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born Original census image
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BELL, Robert Head Married M 46 1865 Under-Manager Northumberland Bedlington VIEW BELL, Mary Wife Married 22 years F 44 1867 Northumberland Bedlington VIEW BELL, John Philipson Son Single M 21 1890 Deputy-Overman Northumberland Bedlington VIEW BELL, Thomas Son Single M 18 1893 Fireman And Boiler Minder Northumberland Bedlington VIEW BELL, Robert Andrew Son Single M 15 1896 Screener Northumberland Bedlington VIEW BELL, Mary Evelyn Daughter F 13 1898 Northumberland Bedlington VIEW BELL, William Son M 8 1903 Northumberland Bedlington VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG14 Piece: 31015 Reference: RG14PN31015 RG78PN1775 RD564 SD2 ED1 SN69 Registration District: Morpeth Sub District: Bedlington Enumeration District: 1 Parish: Hepscott Address: Barmoor Bank Hepscott Morpeth County: Northumberland
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Kathleen
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9 Sep 2010 20:10 |
Hi and thanks for your postings, either could be the right one. could anyone find them in another census. I believe her father was called John, I dont know her mothers name. Thanks again
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patchem
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9 Sep 2010 20:21 |
I have posted her in 1891 and 1901 - what other census do you want her in?
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MarieCeleste
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9 Sep 2010 20:22 |
Kathleen, that is every census available covering her life. Her mother's name is shown as Emma.
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Kathleen
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9 Sep 2010 20:27 |
WOW, the time it took me to answer the second posting you had found her in 3 census, I now have her father and mothers name, also a bit on the Bell side, I am going to take a look and put this iofo together and get back to you in a little while, thanks so much Kathy
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Kathleen
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9 Sep 2010 21:00 |
hi Ann and Glitter baby, yes you have John Philipson Bell in 1911, thats great, could you find the time to look for him in earlier census, I had'nt intended to look at his line tonight but as you found him in 1911 it should be easier to find him in other census. His name was John Philipson Bell.
I am still putting the Wilkinson's in order on my PC, I will get back to them soon Thanks again Kathy
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**Ann**
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9 Sep 2010 21:05 |
1891 census - household transcription Person: BELL, Robert Address: Rontledge Buildings, Barrington, Bedlington, Sleek Burn Colliery Cost: You will be charged 5 credits for a transcript and 5 credits for an image, unless you have purchased a subscription for this set of records. census search results 1891 address search redefine current search Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born Original census image
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BELL, Robert Head Married M 26 1865 Coal Miner Bedlington Northumberland VIEW BELL, Mary Wife Married F 24 1867 Bedlington Northumberland VIEW BELL, John P Son M 1 (1Y) 1890 Bedlington Northumberland VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG12 Piece: 4256 Folio: 129 Page: 27 Registration District: Morpeth Sub District: Bedlington Enumeration District: 7 Ecclesiastical Parish: St Cuthbert Civil Parish: Bedlington Municipal Borough: Address: Rontledge Buildings, Barrington, Bedlington, Sleek Burn Colliery County: Northumberland
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Kathleen
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9 Sep 2010 22:29 |
Hi Ann thanks for the 1891 census, you have him spot on, could you find him on the 1901 census then I am finished looking for his census data. I have been looking the marriage of John Wilkinson and his wife Emma, looking at the 1881census they had a son in 1878 again in Northumberland.but I cant seem to find it, I will send for the cert if I have the right info, can anyone help find them?
Thanks to all who have taken the time to help tonight I have loads more than I expected your all so kind
Kathy
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GlitterBaby
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9 Sep 2010 22:39 |
1901 poss
Name: Robert Bell Age: 36 Estimated birth year: abt 1865 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary Bell Gender: Male Where born: Choppington, Northumberland, England Civil parish: Bedlington Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthbert County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Morpeth Sub-registration district: Bedlington ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 47 Household Members: Name Age Robert Bell 36 Mary Bell 34 John E Bell 11 Thomas Bell 8 Robert A Bell 5 Mary E Bell 3
John E - I think it could be John P on image
Class: RG13; Piece: 4833; Folio: 99; Page: 11
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Kathleen
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9 Sep 2010 23:04 |
hi glitter baby, it looks like him, only thing is his birthplace is choppington in other census its bedlington, but I suppose they are next door to each other so its not so unusual for the birthplace to be a bit off. have you had any luck with the marriage of his parents, I cant find it on the LDS or free BMD Thanks again
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**Ann**
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10 Sep 2010 09:36 |
This looks to be them
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Jun 1889 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ....................Bell Robert Morpeth 10b 547 Burton Elizabeth Morpeth 10b 547 ....................Philipson Mary Morpeth 10b 547 WILSON William Morpeth 10b 547
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Kathleen
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13 Oct 2010 20:13 |
Hi, I am looking for the birth ref for Robert bell, in census he gives his birth year as 1865 except for 1881 when he was said to be born 1864. There are a few certs I could send for but would rather not pay £10 for a wrong cert. If anyone can help finding what they think is the right one I would be grateful. I have what looks like him with his family in 1881, I will post it at the end. I anyone can find the family in 1871 it might help. In 1881 his mother was called Isabella Bell she was then a widow, her husband may have still been alive in 1871/61 so them census could prove usefull, any help wellcome Kathy
1881 Census Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Isabella BELL Head W Female 47 Barnard Castle, Durham, England Dressmaker William BELL Son U Male 23 Winlaton, Durham, England Coal Miner Robert Hy. BELL Son U Male 17 Bedlington, Northumberland, England Coal Miner John BELL Son U Female 14 Bedlington, Northumberland, England Coal Miner Elizabeth BELL Dau Female 12 Bedlington, Northumberland, England Scholar Isabella BELL Dau Female 7 Bedlington, Northumberland, England Scholar
________________________________________ Source Information: Dwelling Byron St Census Place Bedlington, Northumberland, England Family History Library Film 1342236
Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 5117 / 72 Page Number 18
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MarieCeleste
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13 Oct 2010 20:37 |
Kathleen, here they are in 1871. Original image for Isabella says Barnard Castle.
BELL, Isabella Head F 35 1836 Yorkshire BELL, William Son M 13 1858 Codurham BELL, Robert Henery Son M 7 1864 Northumberland BELL, John Son M 4 1867 Northumberland BELL, Elizabeth Jane Daughter F 0 1871 Northumberland RG number: RG10 Piece: 5166 Folio: 133 Page: 45 Registration District: Morpeth Sub District: Bedlington Enumeration District: 10 Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: Bedlington Municipal Borough: Address: Stakeford Road, Bedlington County: Northumberland
Rather odd, she's listed as a widow in 1871, yet she has a 7 year old daughter 10 years later?
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MarieCeleste
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13 Oct 2010 20:42 |
Kathleen, I don't think the people on the census gave their birth year to the enumerator -I believe they would have given their age at the time. The enumerator would then work out the birth year from that, which accounts for the variations we see.
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Kathleen
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13 Oct 2010 20:46 |
Hi Anne, thanks for the census, yes it is odd, but I suppose it happened! I wonder does she say she is a widow in 1871. If you could find her in 1861 we still might get her husbands name. Thanks for taking the time to help Kathy
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