Genealogy Chat

Hi Spiral..glad you enjoyed my message..anything else you need to know..just shout.

Derek

Hi Derek,

Do you have PRs or Baptist records for Sawley by any chance?

(I've seen the Castle Donington Baptist records online which have some Sawley births and deaths, but they don't include everyone I'm looking for.)

Mary

Hi Mary.I'm afraid i don't have anything for Sawley

Sorry

Derek

Mary...Corection..I have the Sawley marriages between 1656-1837..woulod they help??

Derek

Thanks, Derek - I was hoping for a burial, but the marriages might come in useful too.

If you happen to have a disc that allows you to copy-paste in a few seconds, I should be interested in all Sawley/Wilne marriages with the surname Parkinson.

If not, don't worry about it, but perhaps you could see if you can find a marriage for a William Parkinson of Sawley between about 1745 and 1760. Don't know his wife's name (possibly Mary), but they had several children, starting in 1760-61.

Thanks very much,
Mary

Derek
Sorry to cheeky and ask again, but I enjoyed your last message so much I wondered if you can work your magic yet again.

A couple of other Derbyshire Dilema's I have are

1, Mother of William Wilkinson born abt 1824 in South Wingfield, his marriage cert says his father is Isaac Wilkinson, Isaac says he is born in Ticknall abt 1800. Williams wife is Elizabeth Alton, (yes the famous Alton's you very kindly found for me who appear to have needed several shotguns to get them up the aisle in 1819!).

The census reports show his mother as Elizabeth ??????, (all these Lizzie's- why couldn't they be more imaginative with names!). They appear to have several children William 1826, Mary 1828, Lydia 1831, John 1833, Henry 1837, Jane 1841, George 1845 and finally they call it a day in 1846 with Edward- like you say no telly in those days! Given the quite large gaps inbetween some of the children I do wonder if there is more than one Elizabeth, wife of Isaac. IGI has a record of an Isaac Wilkinson marrying in 1837, now whether this is the same Elizabeth that produces all his children I don't know. Any info would be good.

2. Also I have been tearing my hair out (don't worry thankfully I still have plenty!), On a Mary Anne Wass born abt 1843 in Belper. There is a registered birth in 1843 and two others in Ashbourne, I have bought all the certs, but none of them have Samuel as the father. Her marriage to Frederick Cooper shows her father as Samuel Wass and the census reports back this up. Now several good people on GR have Wass's in their trees, sadly none of the information is certified, some of the trees I have been allowed to view are like tangled balls of wool, with children all mixed up, wrong fathers/mothers etc. A few trees have Mary Anne's mother as Eizabeth Garratt / Garrett. Again there is an IGI extracted record of this marriage but its about 6 years before the birth of their first child, which given how the rest of my family seem to have produced children at an alarming rate, with or without getting married first , strikes me as a little odd. The other children for info are John born abt 1841, Eliza 1847, Joseph 1848, Susannah 1850 (dies 1853), Samuel 1853 and William 1856 (hoorah no Elizabeth's in this lot). I do plan to get the births of the other children to see what they show, but that wont really prove that Mary Anne's mother is the same as all the others (and typically hers is the one birth record that seems elusive). They all appear to live in Chapel Hollow, Belper and may have been Methodists.

No rush on these Derek, whenever you get 5 mins. I'm off to take my Mum to hospital to visit my Dad. He's the reason I started all this family tree lark in the first place, he is terminally ill and we want his funeral speech to be the longest and most interesting one we have ever heard, they are normally far to short and boring aren't they. You certainly gave us all a good giggle with the Alton's (just what we needed) who knows what we will find with these.

Thanks again Derek, you really are wonderful person.

Spiral

Hi mary..I do have the Wilne Marriages..not many Parkinsons, but here goes:-

17.12.1718 Joseph P. m Anne Theobald
02.05.1719 Edward p. m Elen Bowers
21.12.1727 William P. m Anne Jowett
09.02.1729John P. m Sarah Thompson
13.02.1798 Thomas P.(of Quorn Leics) m Elizabeth Jowet


Sawley Weddings:

27.07.1728 Edward P. m Sarah Briggs
27.10.1753 Joseph P. m Elizabeth Elson
24.05.1756 William P. m Anne Thompson
(William was 27 and married the 18 year old Anne with her parents' consent)
10.03.1793 Joseph P. m Mary Bates
12.02.1798 John P. m Elizabeth Goff
30.05.1814 William P. m Mary Ward

That's it..will try and find some burials for you.

Derek

Hi Spiral..thwnks for the complimenst..I'm now about to let you down!!
I don't thiml William Wilkinson was born in South Wingfield!!..the only William 1824 was the son of John and Grace.
Clearly no the right one becasue your William.who married into the very "active" Altons, was indeed the son of Isaac..but no mother mentioned...
So isaac was also born elswhere..I'll have to nose around a bit for you.

Can't help you much with Belper without going to the matlock tecords office..cos I don't think asnyone has transcribed the registers.

More later.

derek

That's brilliant, Derek, thanks very much indeed.

Mary

Sorry to bother you again, but I'm just going through the list to see who's who, and I have a couple of questions.

13.02.1798 Thomas P.(of Quorn Leics) m Elizabeth Jowet

I have two Thomas Parkinsons from Quorn. Would I be right in guessing that this Thomas was a widower, aged about 37? I don't suppose it gives his occupation?

24.05.1756 William P. m Anne Thompson
(William was 27 and married the 18 year old Elizabeth with her parenst consent)

Did you mean 18 year old Anne?

Mary

Hi mary..yes i did mean Anne..sorry..and the Thomas Parkinson was a widower...no age or occupation.....

Derek

Hi Mary..just flying a kite here....if it fits in with anything you know..well and good...if not.ignore it

T think William Parkinson who maried mary Ward in 1814....is still around in 1861..living in Duffield.a widower..living with his married daughter Mary (Goodall) and her three children.
It seems that mary parkinson married a Goodall from
Manchester..had three children then moved back to derbyshire..presumably to be with her 74 year old father..In 1861 she is 46..which fits......

Derek

That's great, thanks.

You could well be right about that William Parkinson - I was wondering who he was. I haven't searched for him on the censuses yet, but that'll be the next step.

I seem to be related to all the Parkinsons in the Sawley/Wilne area, many of whom moved to Quorn, so if you ever come across any baptisms or burials for them I should be interested.

However, a lot of them converted to the Baptist religion towards the end of the c18th, so they may not be in the PRs.

Thanks again,
Mary

I have more families than I can count in Derbyshire... Wheelhouse, Brookhouse, Marriott, Johnson, Riggott, Beswick, Slater, Fretwell, Ball, Holmes, Clark, Dovey, Gregson.
So if anyone shares these names (Derbyshire county only) feel free to get in touch.

Hi there,

not sure if you will be able to help me, i'm trying to get hold of years of births for my Vaughan relatives all born in Chesterfield. There are around 17 to look up starting from my great auntie Connie born 1901 to daisy chislett and ernest vaughan. he then had a 2nd wife after 1924 called Gladys asmore - do you think you will be able to help at all???

Hi Romany Star....if you need any information that may be pre 1837 and in the relative Parish Registers..or post 1841 in censuses then i'm very likely to be able to find it for you...I have no personal interest or link to those names..but if you need them researching..just give me a yell.

Derek

Hi laura.I can go back from 1901..but have no records to cover post 1901.I can find Daisy Ernest and Connie and go backwards if thats any help..

Derek

Thankyou Derek, I'll have a look on the tree and see. Its very kind of you to offer!!

Derek
Thanks ever so much for taking a look anyway.

I have found reference in an old history book on Chesterfield of an Isaac Wilkinson, who apparently had to change his name to Wilkinson in order to inherit quite a fortune (sadly the book doesn't say what his original name was) and have wondered ever since if this is "my" Isaac. I doubt it very much as my lot don't seem to have had much spare cash.......but you never know!

These rellies don't half make it hard sometimes to track them down.

I have double checked my records and I gave you duff information (sorry brain is abit fuddled with all this hospital visiting at the moment), William appears to have been born in Derby itself, he is particularly unhelpful by not narrowing it down further).

I hope this may shed some light on his whereabouts, and sorry again for sending you on a South Wingfield goose chase!.
Spiral

Hey Spiral Census Records have your man 1824 Derby.......you want me to follow it up??