Genealogy Chat

Hi Derek,

Yes have 'googled' Sir Stephen.. as you say interesting reading, also several of their other off spring . Have also been in touch with several people who have extensive background info on the "Langston" family. I suppose if one cant have a 'convict' to OZ in ones direct line, then a SIR and a DAME are pretty good ...

Cheers
Karen of Brisbane

Karen..have you tried Googling "Sir Stephen langston"..?????
..very interesting!!

Derek

Hi Derek,

Actually its Richard Ollivant Langston ..

Mortimer arrives in Queensland Australia just prior to his marriage in 1875 and after the 1861 uk census but have never been able to find out when ..

Once again tks for your help..

Cheers
Karen of brisbane

Fudge.....Hi Gill.welcome back......wondered what had happened to you....which does not amount to missing you!!

And now you hit me with this!! No wonder you're confused, and its tool ate at night for me to go too far into it...........

I have no evidence that William Hollingworth was born Newbold 1796..which is not to say he wasn't...........

a certain WILLIAM HOLLINGWORTH married ELIZABETH MUSGROVE at Pinxton 10.10.1814....both OTP.as in OFF THIS PARISH..which doesn't mean they were born there..........in fact Pinxton Parish Records, which I have, show they were not. Interstingly the witnesses were John and Ann Hollingworth..and the marriage was by parents consent..which mean that one of them was under 16
Now then.a certain William Hollingworth born 1796 is, in 1841 married to Phoebe Jarvis (married 22.11.1835..and they have seven children.......thereafter there is no mention of either of them..........

more later.will investigate further.

Phoebe Jarvis was baptised at Staveley 16.08.1807 daughter of John and Sarah


and appears to have died 1865

Hi KKaren..I think its 100% you have the right Catherine dying in Derbys........its proven that she is there in 1881 with her two youngest daughters who have been proved to have been born in broughton Salford...daughters also of the very posh Richard Oliphant Langston..not thta posh becasue he was insurance agent for the Guardian Assurance Company!!.
I have mortimer in 1851 aged 8..........
Derek

Hi Derek ...

Its because you are so brillant that we keep coming back for morrrreeee......

Tks for that info. It is strange she ends up in Derbyshire. Her 2 daughters with her on the 1881 census then marry in Derbyshire as well . Another of Richard and Catherines children ( Mortimer Langston , he is my gggrandfather) ) comes to Australia, it is said he was disowned by the family and taken off the BDM as a son, but it has been reentered at a later date.
Richard Langston is the grandson of Sir Stephen and Dame Rebecca Langston of London.

Just trying to cfm that the Catherine Langston who dies in Derbyshire is the correct one ...

Cheers
Karen of Brisbane

ps.. its nice to chat again

Hello Derek

I've come on to your thread now to thank you for the info on the death of Mary Holmes, widow of Abel. Because of the connection to George Holmes it looks to be her although the age is out quite a lot, I've got her on the 1841 as being 45. Have you got an address for where she died or any burial details? Also I'm still trying to find the death record of her first husband George Tattersall, various spellings, I think he must have died sometime between 1829 and 1844. In 1841 Mary was living in the parish of St.Peter in Nottingham with her son Robert so it looks like she moved between Derbyshire and Notts.
Any help much appreciated
Regards
Kathleen

Hello Karen..long time no see..nice to hear fr5om you again.

Its just as well that lancashire is my second string as it were, and that I am as brilliant as a lot of you think I am!! (lololol)

I have yet to find why CATHERINE LANGSTON ended up in Hayfield in 1881..but I will!!

CATHERINE CLEGG was baptised Salford lancashire.daughter of John and Betty..11.06.1807

She married RICHARD OLIPHANT LANGSTON at Salford 13.03.1833
Richard was born at Broughton St Anns 12.01.1796 son of Richard and betsy.
1841/11851 show catherine and Richard (wrongly shown as Robert) increasing their family..all in Lancs to SEVEN

Bi 1861 Catherine is a widow 1871 she is still in Salfoed..then 1881 in Derbyshire..........
Derek

Hi Derek,

Hope you can help re my request....

Info on a death , Catherine Langston , nee Clegg , died Sept Qrt 1887 Chapel le Firth Derbyshire. Her last known address ( 1881 census ) was Corber Rd Fairfield Derbyshire. Any other info on this lady would be great.

Many tks as always for you help...
Karen of Brisbane

Hi Derek would you mind if I question Dianne on your thead??

Dianne,who were the parents of your Sam Blackwell and where from.

All the Eyam Blackwells called their kids the same names,making it difficult to sort out which twig they are from.

The names of his children may help also,and I stress MAY.

Hello Michele..what started as an enquiry about Isabella Boag has become something of a journey!!..But I have long arms!!

So..the Magaret Carr who married Robert Boag and came forth with isabella........turns out to be the sister of EBENEZER CARR....
I notice you don't have their mother.....I can fill that one in for you

John Carr 1786 and Jane Gray 1787 were married 20.06.1818
John Carr's parents were Robert Carr and Mary.

You have the family tree pretty spot on, and hopefully i can fill in one or two details.....One of Ebenezer's sons was JOHN WILLIAM CARR who married MARY ELIZABETH GRAY in 1856..and its this John William, his wife and his children whose pictures i have found, and will send to you to your EMail.

Incidentally John Carr and jane gray Carr 1786/7 ended up in Chesterfield Derbyshire in 1861...living at Sheepbridge House..next door to the Sheepbridge Pub....and next door on the other side to ANOTHER John Carr his wife Hannah and their family!!!

More later..

Derek

Margaret further to my reply below..I have a Sarah needham born Hartington 29.11.1795 daughter of george and Ann..but hse died 29.04.1808......

Derek

Hello again madness!!.......methinks thou assumeth too much.....there is no Baptism or Burial record at Tideswell for those dates..........for Sarah Needham. Do you have anything else to pin her down??

Derek

Hi Derek

Just checking my Needham records again, and realise I don't have a death record of Sarah Needham, born about 1796 and died between 1819 and 1824. I am assuming in Tideswell. Can you help?

Margaret

Hi Derek,

Thank you for your reply and offer to look at Matlock.

Regards

Chrissie

Hi Chrissie..I don't have the Bolsover Parish records.......becasue they are in such poor condition they have never been transcribed for public use.and a whole section between about 1770 and 1812 is missing and gone for ever.
The originals are at Matlock, and may be on Microfilm.I'll look next time I go
In the meantime I'll have a sniff around other possibilities!!

derek

Hi Derek,

Do you have any records for Bolsover.

On the 1911 census George Pashley born c1860 Hardwick and his wife Sarah Ann ? born Sleaford, Lincs, had been married for 32 years and had had 10 children, 4 of whom had died. I believe all the children were born in Bolsover so perhaps would have been baptised at St Marys I believe. Would you be able to check the baptisms and deaths for me. I have Mary 1885, Ernest 1888, Millie 1890, Edgar 1892 and John 1898 so there are 5 I haven't identified. Mary was named Mary Elizabeth and is listed as Lizzie on an earlier census.

Ernest, Millie, Edgar and John are listed in 1911 census.

I have Edgars birth certificate and mothers maiden name appears to be White but the only marriage I can find appears to be in 1879, the year ties in with the census info, but brides surname is Hilton so I am a little confused.

Hope you can help.

Thanks

Chrissie

you hoooooooooooooooooooooo
luv sally

sssshh..everybody..just got full access to 1911 Census.....don't all shout at once!!!

Derek

Thanks Derek for the info on the "deceased" father. Just as I imagined. Received the birh certificate for Wilfred and no father's name is given either. Drats.

Re the mother of Samuel being Mary. With her stated married state as "widowed" in 1851, that doesn't match with the bible death date of Joseph as 1887. And they wouldn't lie in a bible, would they?

Found another Joseph in the 1841 census, that is living close and the occupations match. Doesn't give a birth place for Samuel though.

Name: Joseph Gerrard
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1796

Living in the Civil parish of Alton
County Staffordshire

Occupation: Journeyman Miller

Joseph Gerrard 45
Elizabeth Gerrard 40
Samuel Gerrard 18 (also states miller)
Joseph Gerrard 15
George Gerrard 13
Elizabeth Gerrard 10
Mary Gerrard 8
Ann Gerrard 5
Martha Gerrard 8 Mo

Would your records cover this area, and do you think this might be an option?

Happy New Year and many thanks,
Diane