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Who are we looking in for In Derbyshire?

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zardoz Report 28 May 2010 13:48

Hi Derek.

I am having real trouble finding ANY records for my GGF/GGM.

Joesph Francis Dobson
Anna Eliza Dobson (nee Smith)

The lived in Gisborn Street, Derby.

I got this info from my GM's birth cert. Their ages in 1963 (when they died) is though to be 79 & 69 respectively, putting their D.O.B. circa 1884 & 1894.

They had 4 children, Ellen (my GM in 1909), Clara b. 1921, Joseph & another child who died young.

I think they originally came from east Lancs.

Is it usual for families to be completely missed from successive census records?

Any light you can shed would be greatfuly received.

Thanks in advance.



LaGooner Report 27 May 2010 21:37

Hi Derek, just by way of a change of family LOL. Can you find out the surname of Dorothy who married Thomas Meakin. Thomas was born 1722 in Repton. Going by another tree I have viewed they may have married 1743. Also looking for Thomas' death please. I have Dorothy's death as 1787 in Repton can you please check this for me.

Many thanks.


LaGooner Report 20 May 2010 21:43

I have not the feintest Derek. She claims to be a professional Geneaologist so who am I to question LOL


Derek Report 19 May 2010 22:58

Hi Gooner..yes i did..sorry been out all day.........In the family tree i see a Gilbert Measham 1790.............I wonder where you contact got the Family tree long before Parish records??


LaGooner Report 19 May 2010 21:03

Derek did you get those documents ok ?


Derek Report 17 May 2010 23:41

Ha!! you said Richards..not Richard..which Richard??? the ealiest measham i have found so far is GILBERT Measham who married Sarah Richardson 24.06.1695......send me anything you like.
Have been going through every Measham who ever lived!! noting yet..but one potential area of explorationj is that Gilbert Measham who married Elizabeth Stanley 12.05.1772..signed his name as MEASOM!!



LaGooner Report 17 May 2010 22:35

In fact her branch goes back to Roger Measham about 1445. If you would like me to forward the emails to you I can if you pm you addy. Also the newspaper article which is interesting reading.


LaGooner Report 17 May 2010 22:31

Richard Measham of course. I will have to look up the record she sent me hang on and I will let you know her earliest Measham on her branch LOL


Derek Report 17 May 2010 22:28

Eyes light up to another challenge!!!!!! What Richards???


LaGooner Report 17 May 2010 22:14

I found that wedding on Freebmd web site . He married Ada Madeline James and lo and behold now I have found he then married Dorothy M Parkins in 1910. Still not a Lillian though.. Oh silly me yes I meant 1911 LOL. Senior moment again. I do think the Meashams all came from the original De Meishams as does a Measham I contact who is a geneaologist. We have not yet found the link between my Gilberts and her Richards !! ONE DAY sigh !!!! I have an email of the story of the De Meisham family of Repton it was a copy of the Burton Observer and Chronicle dated November 30 1974. On there they start with Gilbert De Meisham 1066 - 1130.


Derek Report 17 May 2010 19:00

Ji must have better BMD's than me cos all I have is Willoughby married Shardlow Derbys June say you mean 1911 census????

As for the Thorps..they appear to have been quite a large Farming family rather like st least one side of the Meashams..but at the moment i can't find the link between them.which appears to have been a marriage in about 1800.1810......I'm hoping that the Mary Measham involved might have been a sister of your elder Gilbert.......

It's a pity that the Repton Parish Records have never been transcribed onto disc, because then i could work out all the you suppose that if we got back far enough then all the Meashams are in fact one family?? possibly back to the Measom/Measam name?



LaGooner Report 16 May 2010 18:15

Another poser for you..... I have looked on Free bmd for marriage of Willoughby TF Measham and found him marrying Ada Madeline James in Q2 1905. I also found death of Ada Measham June 1923 but on 1910 Willoughby's wife is named as Lillian is she one and the same she has the same birth year? Your valued opinion please Derek


LaGooner Report 16 May 2010 10:25

Thank you grovel grovel !!! LOL


Derek Report 15 May 2010 19:17

Humph!! oh ok...............


LaGooner Report 15 May 2010 18:01

Oh Derek you know you love it LOL. Right Parkers !!!! Where shall we start LOL. Do you think there may be a connection between the Parker on the census and Mary THF's mother? Can you get looking pretty please.


Derek Report 15 May 2010 12:17

Here we go!!..Thorps Parkers Dunnicliffe's..should have kept my mouth shut!..Bet i get lumbered with them!!! lol



LaGooner Report 15 May 2010 09:47

Thanks Derek of course there are no Gilberts they are in hiding LOL. I have photos of some of the headstones although there are loads in a thicket of trees that have been removed for safety and they are totally inaccessable unfortunately .I bet Gilbert was there laughing at us LOL .I have not made this Thorpe Connection yet although saying that I think THF boarded with Thorpe's on one census. I will go and take a look now and add edit

Edit. On 1851 he is a servant with the Thorps also noticed a Parker and a Dunnicliffe (Tunnicliffe????) on there. This needs further investigation me thinks !


Derek Report 15 May 2010 08:41

Morning LA.....Have eeided to get these Gravestones out of the way.
These are the sum total of all the Measham Inscriptions at St. Wystan's.
Clearly, now we know that various members of this notorious clan sided elsewherelike in Burton on trent, we haven't got them all..but these are the Repton ones.

You probably know these because you said you'd visited the scene..however, let's pretend you don't!!

Inside the church there is a Brass Plaque dedicating a window to the memory of ROBERT GEORGE MEASHAM and his wife EMMA HANNAH
It is the gift of Mary Measham who died 29.07.1914. It was dedicated 29.07.1904
This is officially MI no CH31

Said Robert George buried 27.10.1872 aged 67 and Emma hannah 12.12.1864 aged 57 are in PLOT D134

D259 and D260 contain SAMUEL MEASHAM 26.06.1817 and his wife MARY MEASHAM nee Thorp 12.09.1844 aged 67. and their daughter Mary THORP 12.09.1844 aged 67

This is interesting becasue i keep coming up against the THORPS in later measham history.

PLOT D133... THOMAS MEASHAM 15.02.1854 aged 74 and his wife Ann 17.02.1853 aged 5

Plot C124..ANN ELIZABETH MEasham 04.01.1900 aged 70

C121 GEORGE MEASHAM 10.01.1858

PLOT C122 his wife ANN REBECCA 07.05.1862 aged 59

PLOT C123 GEORGE MEASHAM 15.01.1830 aged 60

PLOT 237 WILLIAM MEASHAM 01.03.1880 aged 74 and his wife ELIZABETH 16.11.1889 aged 83
PLOT C119 DOROTHY MEASHAM 10.07.1835 wife of:

PLOT C120 RICHARD MEASHAM 20.02.1821 aged 65, and their son Richard 12.11.1803 aged 4

MARY MEASHAM (12.03.1914) who deicated the window and her sister Emma Doroth 03.04.1900 are buried together.

Sort that lot out!!! (Notice no Gilberts!!)



LaGooner Report 14 May 2010 22:29

Hi Derek, thanks for that I got a bit confused as I thought Mary Ann Parker would have been too old to have THF. I can now put this info correctly on my tree. Yes I have found the children of THF and Emily although obviously have not written them in yet until I confirmed info with you. This and other info will keep me busy updating for a little while and then I will gedcom to this site.LOL.


Derek Report 14 May 2010 12:12

Hi're not waffling.....Gilbert did marry Mary Meakin....I have her death from Parish Records direct..ignore Ancestry Trees..and he married Mary Ann Parker and they had THF measham..who indeed did marry Emily..I'm glad you didn't already know that!!

Still looking for Mary Ann's maiden name!!!

Still haven't put on your MI's from St.Wystan's...bear with me.
EDIT 13.17..have you got the children of THF and Emily?? they moved to Etwall and he died 1906 Burton on trent.