Genealogy Chat

I will have some more for you soon. Just a bit busy at the moment with the builders pulling my bathroom apart.

Hello LA.don't tell me Meg has joined you!! i despair for my own sanity!!..Anyway how about some work from you lot?? For me i mean...

Derek

Mad ones come and join us loonies in Nutlodge LOL.Just stopped by to say HI Derek

Hi dear Mad one.I think I'll join you in the looney bin..
WILLIAM FRITH 30.03.1780 Great Hucklow son of William and Martha.

WILLIAM FRITH 30.08.1779 Tideswell son of William and Martha

WILLIAM FRITH 26.03.181 Eyam son of William and Martha..married Ann or hannah Glossop 28.12.1826.....


WILLIAM FRITH married MARTHA CARRINGTON Chesterfield 17.04.1832

Then we have entries on IGI putting Eyam and Chapel en le Frith together!!!!!!!

excuse me while i go for a large Scotch!!

Derek xxx

Thanks Derek. Yes the first was Hannah, followed by Joseph, John, Amy and William. Oh, I said that already.

Well, when it comes to brief parish records, don't we have to take a chance? I mean, we ain't going to go back to aristocracy, so I am fairly happy to say William's parents were "likely" to be William Frith and Martha Chapman. If somebody care's to take me to court over them, I'll be prepared to stand trial (citing you as evidence of course!).

You say:

"I have fairly strong evidence that his parents were William Frith and Martha Chapman.....and whilst one hint is that William junior was born Eyam..which he clearly wasn't..another suggests Great Hucklow."

Which William are you referring to as William Jnr? The one born 1810, or his father b 1780? Oh, you mean his father (whose birthdate I have guessed). So he was born Gt Hucklow, shall we say "likely"?

And his parents were William and Martha Chapman? And my Willie is their second Willie b 1780?

Did they marry at the parish church in the middle of Hope? I'd like to think so.

But I still can't find any marriage. *** Of whom?

I was really looking to know who William Frith b 1780 married, Martha, parents of the five children born Eyam. Is that the marriage you can't find?

We can't usually get much further back unless names are unique or there is something noteworthy about the person. A load of Ag Labs or even Stone Masons aren't going to reach the National News. My next ports of call are the cemeteries of Derbyshire - when the weather warms up a bit.

I did go back to BEFORE 1066 on one branch, cos a Vicar joined the clan, records were there, historical books etc. I also went back to time immemorial on the family of Charles Darwen, until I noticed a "slight" flaw in my logic around 1780 that failed to prove I was at all connected! Hey ho. So 1771 in Hope it is.

Love

Madness

Hi Sally..sorry not to have answered you before..yes i broke a bone in my ankle..but compoletley fit again now...thanks for bohering

Derek

Hi Margaret..I do't mind trawling..I enjoy it........but this one is a bit of a nightmare. Certainly the five children of William and martha were born at Eyam..the first being Hannah 1801.

I have fairly strong evidence that his parents were William Frith and Martha Chapman.....and whilst one hint is that William junior was born Eyam..which he clearly wasn't..another suggests Great Hucklow.

You may or not know that that particular area encompasses places lke G.Hucklow...in the Parish of Hope..and Tideswell two miles away..so i went "trawling"......
William Frith married martha Chapman at Hope 31.12.1771..no further clues..so i went to Tideswell..and found William Frith son of Willam and martha 30.08.1779..but he died nov 1779..But also another William son of Willam and martha (!!!!) baptised 30.03.1780.

But I still can't find any marriage.

Incidentally the parents of William Frith senior..also appear to be Willaim and martha!!.

I think I have to give up on this one!!

Derek

Derek, my initial interest was in John Frith b 1805 Eyam who married in Prestbury, Cheshire 1829 and was in Macclesfield till his death there in 1868. The only reasonable baptism at Eyam on IGI is 10 Mar 1805 (Extracted version) giving parents William and Martha and 4 siblings.

Being slapdash at recording my sources (on a pile of paper somewhere!), I don't know how I came to the conclusion that William and Martha were born or married in Eyam. Their first child is born 1801.

So if it wasn't Eyam, I suppose it could be anywhere. And I'd have no way of knowing would I? So don't do any more trawling, he clearly didn't have a brother Thomas anyway.

Cheers

Meg

Margaret..am trolling through Wirksworth records..will keep you informed..

Derek.

Goodmorning Madness.....we have an odd one here!
First..according to the Eyam Parish records neither Thomas nor William were baptised there.
Second THOMAS did indeed marry AMY BRITTLEBANK 16.02.1801..and had a veritable horde of brats.........

I have also found in the Eyam Records the children of WILLIAM and MARTHA to which you refer............but there is no marriage, in fact there are three marriages for a William...all far too early...so how do we know these two are the parents you are looking for?

There is no evidence to show a Thomas brother of a William........in fact your informant must have relied on IGI (a submitted entry.not to be trusted) for a birth of Thomas Frith c.1776 Eyam.........he appears nowhere else......though, as I say he DID marry at Eyam

There are loads of FRITHS at Wirksworth..one of whom is a WILLIAM FRITH born 25.02.1780 son of William and Hannah.and another at great Hucklow b 1779 son of William and martha..there are others at Chapel-en-le Frith

I'll keep looking.....

Derek

Derek, my injured friend.

I have William Frith born Eyam 1780, married Martha Unknown, had children Hannah, Joseph, John, Amy, William. I have no parents for William Snr. Any chance you can find any?

A GR member has contacted me who has a possible brother for William, a Thomas b 1776 who he says married Ann Brittlebank 16/2/1801.

My question is, can you find parents for my William, and is he related to Thomas who married Miss Brittlebank?

They're mostly stonemasons if that helps, but I think Eyam was over-run with stonemasons called Frith.

Love

Margaret

hello derek have you realy broken your foot i thought it might have a fool if not hope it,s going o k
sally w

Sally..not by me.....why..what happened??

Derek

hello derek was i aprill fooled ??????
i think i was
sally w

Derek
could you help solve a Draycott Derbyshire birth of a Samuel Hooley born circa 1832 father John Hooley and see who the mother is? John Hooley was a Framework Knitter
It would save me a costly trip to Matlock records office,
Very grateful for any info
Dorothy

Bossy boots MM Margaret says I've got to put up with it ..so I will...no probs..Happ April Fools Day..

Derek

I don't like to hijack Derek's thread but he'll put up with it.

The Margerisons seem to have made only a brief forray into Derbyshie in the 1800s so Derek is probably relying on the same records as the rest of us (though he does seem to have very large sleeves!).

What sort of shop owned by Listers?

Which Lister? Relative of Catherine I assume.

Lots of Glossop records available, and I have contacts there. But this is perhaps not the right thread. PM me with details.

Margaret

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Hi Madmeg ...lol ya ...You helped me track them down was hoping Derek might find some parish registers for BMD's on his travels (with his broken ankle) and it was a while ago I asked him so I think you filled in the gaps meantime lol. And all the local info you gave me...by the way do you know if there was a shop in glossop owned by Listers I think they may be Catherine's relatives somehow??
Have not managed to track down many descendants of any of the girls or John William so far :(


Derek I am living proof Catherine didn't die as she is my Gt Grandmother lol.
sorry to be a pain folks....also i am getting severe memory loss as now i have 405 people in my tree and I had about 33 at christmas !!
All Down to help on here !
thanks folks :)

Rachel knows that Catherine Margerison pitched up with John Tierney around 1901, had 4 or 5 kids with him before marrying him after John Margerison died. Yes, Derek, the Dodds and the Towers are right. Sad situation in 1901 with some of the kids in a Workhouse (Oldham, I think), but they seem to have sorted out later. I did suggest to Rachel that she put up a separate thread on the Margerisons, which you could have joined in, but we did most of it via PMs.

My interest was cos I remember my mother (who came from Glossop) talking about the name Margerison in her childhood, but can't for the life of me remember anything else.

Hubby snaffled the malt. You'll have to break the other ankle!

No hatters in my family.

Madmeg

Will be taking up the research on the dreaded 'M' family again soon so we can carry on where we left off. Very fast match tonight and not at all boring.