Genealogy Chat

thank you ann

William Thomas
England and Wales Census, 1871
birth: 1866 Llanwonno,? Glamorganshire
residence: 1871 Mountain Ash,? Llanwonno,? Glamorganshire,? Wales
parents: John Thomas,? Hannah Thomas


name: William Thomas
event: Census
event date: 1871
gender: Male
age: 5
relationship to head of household: Son
birthplace: Llanwonno, Glamorganshire
record type: Household
registration district: Pontypridd
sub-district: Ponty Pridd
event parish: Llanwonno
county: Glamorganshire

Ann Thomas
England and Wales Census, 1871
birth: 1868 Llanwonno,? Glamorganshire
residence: 1871 Mountain Ash,? Llanwonno,? Glamorganshire,? Wales
parents: John Thomas,? Hannah Thomas


name: Ann Thomas
event: Census
event date: 1871
gender: Female
age: 3
relationship to head of household: Daughter
birthplace: Llanwonno, Glamorganshire
record type: Household
registration district: Pontypridd
sub-district: Ponty Pridd
event parish: Llanwonno
county: Glamorganshire

Catherine Jane Thomas
England and Wales Census, 1871
birth: 1870 Llanwonno,? Glamorganshire
residence: 1871 Mountain Ash,? Llanwonno,? Glamorganshire,? Wales
parents: John Thomas,? Hannah Thomas


name: Catherine Jane Thomas
event: Census
event date: 1871
gender: Female
age: 1
relationship to head of household: Daughter
birthplace: Llanwonno, Glamorganshire
record type: Household
registration district: Pontypridd
sub-district: Ponty Pridd
event parish: Llanwonno
county: Glamorganshire

thanks ann and john i do think william j is eldest son of john and hannah
but to complecate matters there youngest daughter hannah thomas who was born sept 1891 doesn't show on any census in wales but goes to america in 1906 as a nurse and gets married in america in 1908 in scranton i have census and marriage and death certs for her,her parents are john thomas and hannah morgan i havnt found there marriage either,i know this is fact as a great aunt said she was a sister to david (thomas) thomas b 1876 as she lived with her for a while in america, it seems they changed there names making it a real headache to find them.
thankyou for sharing my brick wall
karen

Many thanks, Ann.

Had a quick look at FreeBMD last night. Do you think William J THOMAS born c1867 Llanwonno (probably Miskin) was the eldest child of John and Hannah THOMAS?

There is a birth of a William James in June 1865 Q. And possible marriages in 1864 to Hannah JONES and Hannah DAVIES. Also noticed a Hannah HARRIS, but looks unlikley.

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David Thomas
England and Wales Census, 1911
birth: Mountain Ash,? Glamorganshire
census: 1911 Llanwonno,? Mountain Ash,? Glamorganshire,? Wales


name: David Thomas
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Male
age: 34
birthplace: Mountain Ash, Glamorganshire
record type: Household
registration district: Pontypridd
sub-district: Llanwonno
parish: Llanwonno
county: Glamorganshire

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David Thomas
England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1876 Wales
census: 1881 Llanwonno,? Glamorganshire,? Wales
parents: John Thomas,? Hannah Thomas


name: David Thomas
age: 5
gender: Male
birth year: 1876
birthplace: Wales
relationship to head of household: Son
marital condition: Single
profession/occupation: Scholar
address: 6 Bailey Street
census place: Llanwonno, Glamorganshire, Wales
record type: Household
family history library film: 1342274
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 5295 / 40
page number: 3

Many thanks, Karen. Will have a look tonight and hopefully someone will dig them out of other censuses,

6 Bailey St is right in the middle of the shops in Miskin. Right at bottom of hill below Arthur St. Think Llanwonno must have been the parish in those days, as Llanwonno village is up on the mountain and is only a pub, a church and a few scattered houses.

hi
his father was on1901
john thomas born 1838 carmarthen [no occupation]
wife hannah thomas b 1848 maesteg glam
benjamin thomas b1877 haulier mountain ash
thomas thomas b1882 haulier mountain ash
arthur thomas b1889 -- mountain ash
they were living 15 arthur street


david thomas visitor m and born 1876 mtn ash haulier
sarah thomas visitor m and b 1879 dowlais glam
benjamin thomas visitor 1 month 1901 mtn ash
they were at 20 arthur street mountain ash
house owned by martha smith from merthyr
have found them on 1881 census

john thomas aged 37 1844 coal miner cwmaman
hannah thomas aged 33 1848 - maesteg glam
william j thomas aged 14 1867 coal miner llanwonno
anne thomas aged 12 1869 - llanwonno
catherine thomas aged 11 1870 scholar llanwonno
john thomas aged 9 1872 scholar llanwonno
lettitia thomas aged 7 1874 scholar llanwonno
david thomas aged 5 1876 scholar llanwonno
benjamin thomas aged 3 1878 scholar llanwonno
gomer thomas aged 1 1880 - llanwonno

there living at 6 bailey street llanwonno

hope this helps
thanks karen

Have unsubscribed from Ancestry and others so cannot help with search, Karen. But think possibly a good starting point would be to list detals about father's family and his family in 1901 census in Arthur St.

Then perhaps we can locate them on other censuses etc and try clear up whether he was John THOMAS or Thomas THOMAS or both John and Thomas.

ok we did go there a couple of years ago was really hilly lol but someone had vandalised the cenotaph as we wanted to look at that too.
karen

Sorry if you know the geography well, Karen. But this may be of interest for background.

Arthur Street is on western side of the Cynon river, high above Miskin main street which is in the valley below. Arthut St is about a mile south of Mountain Ash town centre down a long and quite steep road going north from Arthur St called Llanwonno Road.

Arthur St is about the last street before you climb up into Perthcelyn on the mountain road to Llanwonno and across to the next valley to the west, which is Rhonnda Fach (the smaller of the two Rhondda valleys.

hi
the marriage cert
thomas thomas aged 21 batchelor coal hewer 2 tyla dowlais father john thomas coalminer
sarah lewis aged 19 spinster 3 tyla dowlais father john lewis deceased collery worker
its dated i think 19th june 1897 at the registry office in merthyr tydfil.
witness were john evans ,mary jones,elvira lewis.
i have hime as david thomas on 1901 as visitor with sarah and eldest son benjamin living at 20 arthur street mountain ash.
his parents are living at 15 arthur street mountain ash.
thanks
karen

Could you give the full details on the marriage certificate - address on marriage, occupations, witnesses?
Have you tried to find him on the censuses?
Thank-you

hi
my brickwall is my great grandfather who i know as david thomas he married as thomas thomas and was enlisted ww1 as david thomas and is named as david thomas on childrens birth certs as you can imagine trying to find his birth cert is a headache,he was born 1876 in mountain ash married sarah lewis 1897 i have that cert says his father is john thomas and hes 21 so i know its 1876 but short of buying lots of certificates not sure what to do any help would be greatly appreciated.
thanks karen

hi
my brickwall is my great grandfather who i know as david thomas he married as thomas thomas and was enlisted ww1 as david thomas and is named as david thomas on childrens birth certs as you can imagine trying to find his birth cert is a headache,he was born 1876 in mountain ash married sarah lewis 1897 i have that cert says his father is john thomas and hes 21 so i know its 1876 but short of buying lots of certificates not sure what to do any help would be greatly appreciated.
thanks karen

Really great to hear from you on here, Shaun.

Think between helpers on here there is quite a wealth of knowledge, and hope some more seek out help.

And possibly you may be able to descend from your mountain lair from time to time :-D :-D

Ann Have reappeared. Hope this thread will be useful for others who want to ask Welsh related genealogical problems :-D

Thank you for your help John- sorry to see you go

kind regards

Anne

John

Thanks for your interest in my problem. Sorry to see you go.

Georgina :-(

Have made a life-changing decision this morning.

Am going to remove myself for at least a year from any involvement in family history. Will still be on Genes but will have few records available to me as am cancelling all subs to family history sites - though I will stay on Genes as a fairly non-contributing member. And further letters about hot matches will probably not be answered very fully.

As far as this thread is concerned, I will watch it. But am unlikley to be able to help anybody significantly for at least next 12 months.

Many thanks to you all, and hope we meet up again soon. :-D :-D