Genealogy Chat

my greatgrandfather was declared dead inbetween 1917 and 1922 he just walk out on his family about 1910/11 my greatgranmother had him declared dead
so she could remarry, i have been trying to obtain a birth certificate for my greatgranfather he had a very common name smith, would my granmother had to provide proof i. e. date of birth my greatgrandfather and birthplace, or his parents names,dose anybody know how to go about obtaining a copy
of the declaration my greatgranfather was a frederick henry smith born 1876/7
birmingham , lived in manchester from 1897/1911
regards
allan glennie

the first place to look is the local coroner office local to were your grandmother lived. as all deaths have to be delt by the coroner. then a search at the local courts to see if he had his estate wound up

Possible scenario??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Mar 1877 (>99%)
SMITH Frederick Henry Aston 6d 326

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Sep 1872 (>99%)
Warburton Rosetta Chorlton 8c 760

1901 Census
SMITH, Frederick H Head Married M 25 1876 House Painter Birmingham, Warwickshire
SMITH, Rosetta Wife Married F 28 1873 Hulme, Lancashire
Piece: 3777 Folio: 96 Page: 32
Registration District: Prestwich Civil Parish: North Manchester
Address: 14, School Lane, North Manchester Lancashire

First marriage
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)
Smith Frederick Henry Prestwich 8d 509
Warburton Rosetta Prestwich 8d 509

1919 Marriages
Surname name Surname name Church / Register Office
HIGGINS Thomas SMITH Rosetta Prestwich Registrar Att’d
HIGGINS Thomas WARBURTON Rosetta Prestwich Registrar Att’d
SMITH Rosetta HIGGINS Thomas Prestwich Registrar Att’d
WARBURTON Rosetta HIGGINS Thomas Prestwich Registrar Att’d

Possible deaths
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1931 (>99%)
Higgins Thomas 66 Manchester N. 8d 728

Thomas Higgins of 13 Crescent Street, Lower Crumpsall, Manchester died 27 Jan 1931 at 123 Crescent Street, Crumpsall. Administration Manchester 12th February to Rosetta Higgins widow. Effects £214-1s-6d.

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Sep 1951 (>99%)
HIGGINS Rosetta 79 Manchester 10e 400

If she had him declared dead then i would have thought their should be a death certificate,

Where did the said declaration take place?

I cannot see a death for him registered 1917 to 1922 in the Manchester area or one that fits the dob in England or Wales

Roy

thanks for the reply , what i didnt had before frederick smith living in blackley
manchester on his marriage certificate fathers name william smith house painter, on his marriage certificate he is ferderick henry on the census he is down as frederick arthur ,from what ihave been told down the years she had him declared dead about 1920 before she could marry thomas higgins
regards
allan glennie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_in_absentia

Could this be his birth:-


Name: SMITH, Frederick Arthur H
Registration district: Birmingham
County: Warwickshire
Year of registration: 1875
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 6D
Page no: 184

Kath. x

Sorry Kath??
Name: SMITH, Frederick Arthur H
Registration district: Birmingham County: Warwickshire
Year of registration: 1875 Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death:0
Volume no: 6D Page no: 104

Ah well............looks like your Frederick Henry is likely to be the one then. Just thought the Arthur H. for middle names sounded right.

Kath. x