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Seeking Family of Samuel and Emily Gauci

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brummiejan

brummiejan Report 22 Jan 2013 12:49

Hi Marion.

I feel in a bit of a dilemma here as it is me who suggested that marriage and I am worried about sending you on a wild goose chase. It's tricky isn't it - hard to discount completely just in case. And so far we have nothing else to go on.

Do you live in or near London? I would be tempted to check out the addresses given by Emily Woods and Emily Cameron on the electoral register and see who else might be living there. You can only look either side of the war though remember.

How do the addresses you have relate to each other geographically? I sometimes use google map to provide a bit of evidence when tracking people down.

Who were the witnesses on the Gauci marriage cert? If there is a Cameron then my feeling is that would confirm 100% that there is no connection with your family, as if she was using a bogus name she would be the only Cameron on that cert!
Do you have an occupation for Emily on the first cert?

Jan

Marion

Marion Report 21 Jan 2013 12:45

Hi Jan,

No, Hugh's father was Andrew. the witnesses are different and the addresses also dont match. However, i'm not convinced there is no connection as the co-respondent on the divorce certificate was so similar to Silvano Gauci.

The address on the Emily Cameron marriage is in Stepney and this is where my Grandfather lived when he told my Dad that he knew where his mother was. Just seems like a lot of coincidences and in the absence of another marriage for Emily Woods and the bigamy story i wonder......

Silvano Gauci is listed as a merchant seaman on the marriage certificate so perhpas Emily Patricia Cameron was not even born in the UK which might explaing the lack of birth certificate or death certificate for Patrick?

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 20 Jan 2013 17:28

I think that marriage might have been the red herring I suspected - but worth a shot.
I am guessing Hugh's father wasn't called Patrick! And that the witnesses & address for the Emily Cameron marriage don't have any connections? Just to be 100% sure.
Jan

Marion

Marion Report 20 Jan 2013 16:53

Update

I now have the marriage cert for Salvino Gauci and Emily Patricia Cameron. They were married on 14/7/43 and she was 24 years old which fits with Emily Woods being 21 years old on 13/4/40.

However, Emily Patricia Cameron has a fathers name as Patrick Cameron who was deceased at the time of her marriage in 1943 so it looks like Emily Woods is a different person.

I tried to find a birth for Emily P Cameron or a death for Patrick Cameron but can't find any.

I'm not sure where to go next in search for Emily Woods, any help would be greatly appreciated.

Marion

Marion Report 8 Jan 2013 19:00

Hi,

The witness names are M Doyle and W Gay.

The address for Emily Woods is 41 St Marys Road Willesden NW10 and her occupation was general stores shop assistant.

My Grandfathers address was 43 Connaught Road Willesden NW10 if that helps?

Marion

Marion Report 8 Jan 2013 18:00

Thanks Jan - the information is she may have married bigamoulsy which is why i think there may be a link to the mmn being Cameron, also, this may be why the "P" has been put in there and is not on the original marriage certificate?

Reggie - I only have the MMN as Cameron for the Stepney births and the father as Silvana Gauci (similar name to the co-respondent on the divorce cert)- i'm only going on information i have that she had 8 more children (6 that I found) and i know my grandfather was in Stepney when he said he knew where she lived.

I will post the names of the witnesses, her occupation and address etc later as i dont have the certificate with me at present.

Thanks for you help folks.

Reggie

Reggie Report 8 Jan 2013 14:39

No father's name on cert indicates illegitimacy

Only one birth on freebmd for Emily Woods with MMN Woods

Of course, she could have been born anywhere in the world............

Did she have an occupation when she married?

And what was her address?

Reggie

Reggie Report 8 Jan 2013 14:36

If there is no second name on the 1940 marriage cert, why are you pursuing info about the woman with a second initial?

And, unless you have the certs, I'm not sure how you know the full MMN for the Stepney births to which you refer

Just thinking aloud, to try to clarify things................

Who witnessed the 1940 marriage?

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 8 Jan 2013 14:21

I can see why you wish to get the cert - I would be tempted too as she is so elusive!
The only thing I would point out is that the children should have MMN Woods. Having said that, if she was marrying bigamously she might well have put her married name as her birth name, as presumably that is what she was known as.
It's a long shot but if nothing else turns up might be worth £9.25 just to settle it (or not!!!)

EDIT a minor point but 'Salvina' should read 'Salvino' - the masculine form of the name presumably!

Jan

Marion

Marion Report 7 Jan 2013 17:05

The marriage certificate for Hugh Cameron and Emily Woods tells me that she was 21 years old on 13/4/1940 but there is no fathers name.

Perhaps if i send for the marriage certificate of Emily P Cameron and Silvana Gauci and compare the ages or see if she has a fathers name on that one?

Any other ideas would be welcome.

Marion

Marion Report 4 Jan 2013 17:16

All of the above is possible as my father was left by his mother Emily Cameron nee Woods in 1941, he was the brought to Scotland to be raised by his Grandmother.

If she kept the Cameron name as she was not divorced until 1947. The co respondent could be Silvana Gauci (known as Samuel?). My grandfather also mentioned the police visting him relating to bigamy which suggests she could have re-married before getting divorced? My grandfather did not re marry until after they divorced.

My dad was told by his father that he knew where his mother lived and that she had more children (8 was mentioned) and this was in Stepney.

There are 6 births in Stepney from 1945-1955 with mmn as emily p cameron. I am hopeful that if the marriage certificate confirms the age when she married my grandfather and perhaps her fathers name i can confirm if emily p cameron is the same person as emily woods who married hugh cameron in 1940 and gave birth to Andrew Graham Cameron in October 1940. :-S

Marion

Marion Report 3 Jan 2013 15:27

Thanks for the update on the Greenock link

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 3 Jan 2013 14:50

Just for the record, the Emily Cameron leaving Greenock was a single hospital kitchen superintendant from Glasgow.

Marion

Marion Report 3 Jan 2013 14:35

Thanks everyone
The 1943 may be correct as there is a suspicion that she may have re-married before she was divorced!

If the name was still Cameron then this may be the case and I've also been led to believe she had 8 further children so the births could be correct too.

Peter - not sure about the 1957 date as by then she should not have been called Cameron as the divorce from my grandfather was in 1947, however, i assume her marriage in 1943 may have been null and void?

The plot thickens :-|

Peter

Peter Report 1 Jan 2013 16:07


It might be worth following this up Marion if you haven't done so already?
Passenger Lists show an Emily Cameron born 1911 leaving the UK and headed for Montreal. She left Greenock in 1957.
I don't have the full subscription which shows the furthur details but I'm sure another member will help you with that.
It might not of course be the Emily you are looking for but its always worth a try.
Good luck with your search,
Peter

Reggie

Reggie Report 1 Jan 2013 09:39

The marriage cert will not give DOB.......merely her declared age at the time. It will, however, include details about her father - if she knew him - which should help with your search, as may the names of the witnesses

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 1 Jan 2013 01:09

Fair enough - obviously a complete red herring as I rather suspected!
Jan

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 31 Dec 2012 23:47

There are Gauci births in Stepney with mmn Cameron that would fit with the above marriage.

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 31 Dec 2012 22:26

I did find this, but it's for an Emily P. and doesn't work for a divorce 1947. But do you believe her 2nd marriage was in Scotland?

Name: Salvina Gauci
Spouse Emily P Cameron
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1943
Registration district: Stepney
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 245

Jan

Marion

Marion Report 31 Dec 2012 16:17

I have now requested the marriage certificate from GRO. I've since found out that Emily Woods and my Grandfather (Hugh Cameron) divorced in 1947 and the co respondent was named as Samuel Gausi or Gasni but I cannot find trace of any further marriage between them?

Maybe once i get her DOB I will be able to find out more.