Genealogy Chat

The Football Association (FA) has launched a search for descendants of the eight men that helped establish the world's most popular sport 150 years ago. Can you help?

The founding fathers of football are:

1. Ebenezer Cobb Morley (1831–1924)
2. Arthur Pember (1835–1886)
3. Charles William Alcock (1842–1907)
4. Francis Maule Campbell (1843–1920)
5. John Forster Alcock (1841–1910)
6. Herbert Thomas Steward (1839–1915)
7. George Twizell Wawn (1840–1914)
8. James Turner

Obviously do not have anyone working for them with an interest in family history research as surely they could have done it for themselves unless they are trying to save money.

Just had a quick look on FreeBMD.....


Births Jun 1840 (>99%)
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Wawn George Furzell

S Shields 24 192

2 Trees on here.

Contact the tree owners

1911 census
Person: MORLEY, Ebenezer Cobb

Address: 26 the Terrace Barnes SW


MORLEY, Ebenezer Cobb Head Married41 years M 79 1832 Solicitor Hull VIEW
MORLEY, Frances Wife Married41 years F 74 1837 London VIEW
PONKES, Emily Servant Widow F 35 1876 Cook Islington VIEW
WHIG, Louisa Servant Single F 26 1885 House Maid Barnes VIEW
MORLEY, Elizabeth Lucy Visitor Single F 73 1838 Hull


NO children

Marriages Dec 1902 (>99%)
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Campbell Francis Maule Kensington 1a 249
Hodges Harry Percy Kensington 1a 249
Ricardo Arabel Mary Kensington 1a 249
Yeales Maria Louisa Kensington 1a 249
Yeeles Maria Louisa Kensington 1a 249
Yeeles Mary Louisa Kensington 1a 249

Have sent message to the 2 trees of George Wawn.

Marriages Sep 1877 (>99%)
ROBINSON Emily Martha S Henley 3a 825
STEWARD Herbert Thomas Henley 3a 825

1881 census


Person: STEWARD, Herbert T

Address: 149, Cromwell Road, Kensington


STEWARD, Herbert T Head Married M 42 1839 Architect & Surveyor
Kensington, Middlesex VIEW
STEWARD, Emily M S Wife Married F 31 1850
Marylebonne, Middlesex VIEW
STEWARD, Herbert A Son Single M 2 1879
Kensington, Middlesex VIEW
STEWARD, Beatrice E Daughter Single F 1 1880
Kensington, Middlesex VIEW
SNOW, Louisa Servant Single F 38 1843 Housemaid
Reading, Berkshire VIEW
POOLE, Ann Servant Single F 35 1846 Cook
St Pancras, Middlesex VIEW
HILL, Sarah A Servant Single F 28 1853 Nurse
Woodbridge, Suffolk VIEW
MOTHERSOLE, Charles R Servant Single M 28 1853 Footman
Pakenham, Suffolk VIEW
TOWEL, Elizabeth Servant Single F 22 1859 Under Nurse
Staplehurst, Kent VIEW
MARSHALL, Jane Servant Single F 21 1860 Under Housemaid
Hawley, Hampshire

Name: Francis Maule Campbell
Probate Date: 12 Mar 1921
Death Date: 30 Dec 1920
Death Place: Surrey, England
Registry: London, England

Kilronan, The Avenue,Nutfield
Administration to Maude Beatrice Campbell, widow



London and Surrey, England, Marriage Bonds and Allegations, 1597-1921
Name: Francis Maule Campbell
Age: 77
Birth Year: abt 1843
Event Date: 7 Oct 1920
Parish: Kensington, St Mary Abbots
Spouse's Name: Maud Beatrice Dunkerley
Spouse's Age: 46
Spouse's Parish: St Mary Abbots
Event Type: Allegation
Reference Number: DL/A/D/014/MS10091/309



Name: Francis Maule Campbell
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 1 Sep 1843
Father's Name: Dawson Campbell
Mother's Name: Jane Rebecca Amelia Ann Campbell
Parish or Poor Law Union: Edmonton All Saints
Borough: Enfield
Register Type: Parish Registers


Can find him on 1901 in Radnorshire but not yet found him in 1911

Gives Blackheath as place of birth and occupation of foreign merchant

1911 census

Person: STEWARD, Herbert Thomas

Address: 65 Courtfield Gardens


HANCOCK, Frederick Servant Single M 20 1891 Footman Shropshire Mascot Drayton VIEW
STEWARD, Clifford Thomas Son Single M 29 1882 Architect And Surveyor London Kensington VIEW
STEWARD, Mildred Annie Daughter Single F 26 1885 London Kensington VIEW
STEWARD, Beatrice Emily Daughter Single F 31 1880 London Kensington VIEW
STEWARD, Herbert Thomas Head Married34 years M 72 1839 Architect And Surveyor London Westminster VIEW
STEWARD, Emily Martha Sophia Wife Married34 years F 61 1850 London Marylebone VIEW
CLAYTON, Charlotte Servant Single F 22 1889 Housemaid London Notting Hill VIEW
LEWEN, Winifred Servant Single F 20 1891 Kitchenmaid Surrey Croydon VIEW
PIPPIN, Agnes Servant Single F 26 1885 Housemaid Surrey Northampton VIEW
BLOW, Maria Servant Single F 54 1857 Cook London Holloway VIEW
MAYHEW, Grace Servant Single F 40 1871 Ladies Maid Suffolk Glemsford


4 children..........all living

Name: John Forster Alcock
Probate Date: 1 Apr 1910
Death Date: 13 Mar 1910
Death Place: London, England
Registry: London, England


21 Great St Helens London
Probate to Augusta Lackland Alcock, widow



1891
Name: John F Alcock
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Augusta L Alcock
Gender: Male
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil parish: Berkhampstead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Berkhampstead
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Berkhampstead
Sub-registration district: Berkhampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1126
Folio: 65
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
John F Alcock 50
Augusta L Alcock 24
Frank Alcock 5 born London City
Augusta T Alcock 2 - Great Berkhamstead, Hertfordshire
Sarah A Kibble 20
Annie E Tilbury 22
Annetta Penney 18

Class: RG12; Piece: 1126; Folio: 65; Page: 1; GSU Roll: 6096236.


1901
Name: John Foster Alcock
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Augusta L Alcock
Gender: Male
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil parish: Northchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: Northchurch St Mary
Town: Northchurch
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Berkhampstead
Sub-registration district: Berkhampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 41
Piece: 1328
Folio: 50
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
John Foster Alcock 65
Augusta L Alcock 34
Augusta Theodora Alcock 12
John Forster Alcock 5
Margaret Chandley 19
Amy Robinson 18
Edith Elizth Moore 15

Class: RG13; Piece: 1328; Folio: 50; Page: 7


Not found any tree matches for the children

Gerrard and other current England players have joined the hunt by starring in a video appealing for help. Perhaps their descendants settled elsewhere in Europe, in which case you can email the FA with any information. To find out more about the search, check out www.thefa.com/foundingfathers.

From humble beginnings The FA is now in its 150th anniversary year, helping to support 7m people playing the game at grassroots level through to the elite level of 24 England teams.

And The FA have now called upon the public to come forward with any information on the eight men who established the world’s most popular sport 150 years ago.

The Founding Fathers of football are Ebenezer Cobb Morley (1831-1924), Arthur Pember (1835-1886), Charles William Alcock (1842-1907), Francis Maule Campbell (1843-1920), John Forster Alcock (1841-1910), Herbert Thomas Steward (1839-1915), George Twizell Wawn (1840-1914) and James Turner.

Any living descendants that can be identified and located will be invited to a special ceremony at Wembley to honour their ancestors in October.

One of the GR members that i sent a PM to has seen it but no reply.

Maybe GR should put their resident genealogist on the trail.... ;-)

Picking up on info posted by Glitterbaby.

It looks like Francis Maule Campbell had no children....
Francis Maule Campbell and Maud Beatrice Dunkerley were both previously married and widowed.
In view of their ages, I don't expect there were any children from this marriage.

Glitterbaby also found Francis on the 1901 in Wales where he was unmarried
He married Maria Louisa Yeeles.in Kensington 1902 (Last Qtr)
Found them in Wales at 1911.
Maria was already 72yrs old, married 8yrs and had no children
She died in Wales 1918.

Maria Louisa did have some children, but of course they didn't belong to Francis

Her divorce papers are on Ancestry

I too am of the opinion that he didn't have any children of his own

Just thought I'd check out the Campbell to see if he was one of mine...........sadly not

J

What is the latest info on this please

I don't think there is any Renes, I think it all just ground to a halt.

J

Thanks Janet

Oh well as they say,

And "another one bites the dust" :-D