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i am trying to trace further details of my 2 x great grandmother born karenhappuch
lotch birth place believed to be norfolk c 1803
she gave birth to my grerat grandmother charlotte gowing 1824
she was unmarried
my 2 x great grandmother karenhappuch lotch died from thyphoid fever in a workhouse infirmary in norfolk 1843 age given as 40 yrs
i have the death cert the informant was james kemp master of the workhouse
she married elijah davy 1827 st nicholas church great yarmouth
her name on death cert was catherine davy
has anyone any suggestions on how i may trace her parents and further details on the workhouse where she died :-(

David, can I just query something - you are saying that her first name was completely different on the death cert? Are you sure it was the same person?
Jan

brummiejan
yes thats correct
for some unknown reason she wanted to be known as catherine

:-(

David ....................


why did you not return to your previous thread, on Stephen Gwoing. There is all kinds of information on there that would have helped with this search, and prevent duplication of work???


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/tips_board/thread/1214999

from that thread .....................

David Report 5 Apr 2010 12:37

hi
i am trying to trace details of stephen gowing c 1791 norfolk from a private research report i know he had a shop in lowestoft norfok he was a silversmith watchmaker in 1822 his shop was burgled this is according to the bury & norwich post watches trinkets & cash to the value of upwards of £ 100 were taken
ive tried to trace him on family search without success
i dont know if he was married or not any info appreciated


David Report 5 Apr 2010 15:10

i have a research report from a recordsoffice which you will eventually see why i asked for details on stephen gowing this reads as follows
sources consulted
suffolk burial index nineteenth century newspapers online
pigot & co national commercial directory 1830
transcripts for lowestoft st margarets baptisims 1769-1830
a search has been made as requested for charlotte gowing & her mother karenhappuch lotch or loche later known as catherine the unmarried mother of charlotte gowing1822
i started by trying to put together all the pieces of information that you sent
and had been previuosly found as peoples names appear to have changed repeatedlylijah davy
i started by looking at the marriage of elijah davy and karenhappuch lotch as the norfolk registers are now online on family search pilot
i fouund the marriage st nicholas great yarmouth 1827 enclosed is a printout for you this appears to be the only reference to the surname lotch in suffolk or norfolk
you sent a copy of emma davy {your charlottes half sister} birth cert which gave her mother as kerenhappuch davy formerly gowing which ties in with the 1827 marriage
it maybe that kerenhappuch lotch was not bap as anglican poss not bap at all or may have been an immigrant
i then searched for david gowing {the stated father of charlotte}silversmith
but found nothibg for him as a silversmith but found this from a newspaper 1822 the shop of stephen gowing silversmith lowestoft was burgled & watches trinkets & cash uto the value of upwards of £ 100
i then looked at the suffolk burial index searching for david or stephen gowing & found the following entries david gowing of debenham buried 13 ju ne 1838 aged 61 at winston st andrew david gowing of ipswich st stephen buried 9 aug 1869 aged 78 mickfield hall
stephen gowing of lowestoft st margaret son os stephen & alice buried 8 july1831 aged 89
stephen gowing st margaret lowestoft buried 20 april 1867 aged 78
l then looked fo rthe surviving david gowing & stephen gowing in the 1851 census & found that david was a farmer at mickfield hall married to lucy & stephen was a retired watchmaker next i looked at pigots directory of 1830 in order to see if david gowing was listed as a silversmith in ipswich he was not
having found the newspaper reference to stephen gowing silversmith
i decided to look at pigots directory for lowestoft & found an entry for stephen gowing silversmith also a jeweller watch & clock maker
suggestions , it may be worth investigating stephen gowing of lowestoft further was your charlottes fathers occupation of siversmith linked to the gowing silversmiths on lowestoft
look for wills for ranson & gowings in ipswich in case there is any mention of charlotte catherine or kerenhappuch
well thats the report & im not much wiser as yet to just who the father of my charlotte is
thank you for your time
hopefully someone can give further suggestions info on just how to further my searc h for my charlotte & her mum kerenhappuvh i know she died thyphoid fever great yarnouth workhouse 1843 aged 40


David Report 5 Apr 2010 19:16

is there no one that can suggest how i can carry on with this research from the above details i will NOT ask the records office to do another search in case its the same & it has cost £75
for this lack of info not at all pleased
i sent them many various certs copies too plenty of info to research


David Report 8 Apr 2010 14:28

firstly thank you to all that replied to my thread thank you its appreciated as some of you will know i have for 4 years since i joined gr been trying to find my great grandmother charlotte gowing & recently paid money {the second time} to a records office as you know from this thread i was diisapointed with thier results i emaled them a few days ago
got thier reply today as suspected they have said that they did their best & if ancestors which to remain secretive or change thier names thats unfortunate but part of family history they have invited me down to the records office where a warm welcome awaits me & would be shown around shown how to use ther amenities
so with great diissapiontment & heavy heart will concede that i probably will never know charlottes & her mum identities
thank you all again for your past assistace with this
thank you


Madmeg Report 8 Apr 2010 15:58

Sorry David, but you did not mention Charlotte Gowing at all in your request, so nobody has looked for her.

I cannot at all understand the information you have given us from the records office - is it not possible for you to "copy" and "paste" the actual document here?

So she is your great grandmother born 1822? Where did the name karenhappuch locht come from? Who, when and where did your great grandmother marry, and have you got that certificate? Please give us the details on it.


MillymollyAmanda Report 9 Apr 2010 14:49

Children of John Gowing and Elizabeth Brissenden

Stephen Gowing 28th Aug 1788

George Sead Gowing Born 2nd Nov 1790

James Gowing Born 14th Dec baptised 18th Dec 1793

Sarah Gowing Born 3rd March Baptised 5th 1796

Joseph Gowing Baptised 25th March 1798

Anna Maria Born 31st May Baptised 1st June 1801

Stephen Gowing Watch maker ,wife Mary
Children of Stephen and Mary

Mary Ann Bapt 26th Jan 1814

Stephen Sead Brissenden Bapt 20th May 1816

James Warden Bapt 23rd March 1818

Sarah Ann Bapt Sept 1819

Joseph William 19th Sept 1821,father John down as Stationer and Watch maker.

William Furnace Bapt Jan 1823

Charles Bapt 23rd March 1824

All Born in Lowestoft Norfolk



David Report 9 Apr 2010 14:59

hi
all sorted with the new pc & emails thank goodness
as i have said tried to copy & paste the records office research results but it wont
i can send it via emails
my great grandmother charlotte born 1822 according to census ipswich
but record office have not traced this ?? from that i wonder if her birth place was norfolk
her unmarried mother kerenhappuch lotch
i cant trace her birth place niether can ipswich records office
i have her marriage cert to her first known husband elijah davy reads as follows
elijah davy of this parish and kerenhappuch lotch spinster of this parish were married were married in this parish st nicholas great yarmouth july 30th by banns
the witnesses were william langley & margaret tuck
i obviusly do not need any furthe details of this
tried to trace the witnesses as yet without success
yes charlotte has been on genes before BUT not with these details & mad meg wanted some
any poss info appreciated
as ive said the full records office research can be sent via emails
kerenhappuch died great yarmotuh workhouse 1843 aged 43 cause of death typhoid fever asked norfolk records office for details of this thier repy they dfont have the records for 1843

Burial
County Norfolk
Place Great Yarmouth
Church St Nicholas
RegisterNumber 294
BurialDate 17 Apr 1843
Forename Catherine
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname DAVEY
Age 45
Abode Yarmouth

(from below link)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl



http://www.doun.org/transcriptions/surnames.php?doc_type=400&surname=DAVY

(an Elijah on above)

Chris :)


Deaths Jun 1843 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------
DAVY Catherine Yarmouth 13 268


County Norfolk
Place Great Yarmouth
Church St Nicholas
RegisterNumber 492
MarriageDate 30 Jul 1827
GroomForename Elijah
GroomSurname DAVEY
GroomAge
GroomParish Otp
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation
GroomAbode
BrideForename Kerenhappuch
BrideSurname LOTCH
BrideAge
BrideParish Otp
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode
GroomFatherForename
GroomFatherSurname
GroomFatherOccupation
BrideFatherForename
BrideFatherSurname
BrideFatherOccupation
WitnessOneForename William
WitnessOneSurname LANGLEY
WitnessTwoForename Margaret
WitnessTwoSurname TUCK

Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Great Yarmouth
Church St Nicholas
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 30 Apr 1834
Forename Eliz-abeth
Sex F
FatherForename Elijah
MotherForename Keron-happuck
FatherSurname DAVY
MotherSurname
Abode
FatherOccupation Watch-maker

https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/England_Norfolk_Poor_Law_Union_Records_%28FamilySearch_Historical_Records%29

England Norfolk Poor Law Union Records (FamilySearch Historical Records)

Recently released

Also FS have an extensive library of images from Norfolk BMD registers .. That you look thru page by page

sylviaincanada
i must sincerly apologise as you correctly state i should have put this on stephen gowing thread 2010 will ensure i do NOT make that mistake again
to the other members that replied to my threads thank you
much appreciated

martyn
her death cert states she died in a workhouse infirmary april 13th 1843
great yarmouth sub district of great yarmouth northern

This site has some information

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Yarmouth/

Coukd this be a sister



Name: Charles Yallop
Spouse's Name: Jane Karenhappuck
Event Date: 18 Nov 1823
Event Place: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04595-5
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1545227
Reference ID:

If you goggle the name, Karenhappuch or Kerenhappuch is a much more common forename than one would expect!

It might be interesting to find the origin of the name

Do you have a Death for Elijah?...


Deaths Dec 1848 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------
Davey Elijah Yarmouth 13 247

Deaths Jun 1851 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------
Davey Elijah Norwich 13 222


(there is below, but age could be wrong?, could do with a check on Parish Record)

Burial
County Norfolk
Place Great Yarmouth
Church St Nicholas
RegisterNumber 761
BurialDate 19 Nov 1848
Forename Elijah
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname DAVEY
Age 80
Abode Yarmouth


(also below, but other Elijah in Yarmouth)

County Norfolk
Place Great Yarmouth
Church St Nicholas
RegisterNumber 2276
BurialDate 05 Mar 1871
Forename Elijah
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname DAVY
Age 60
Abode Union
Notes Cemy


1841
DAVY, Elijah M 40 1801 Norfolk
DAVY, Catharine F 40 1801 Norfolk
DAVY, Elizabeth F 12 1829 Norfolk
DAVY, Ann F 14 1827 Norfolk
DAVY, Adaliade F 6 1835 Norfolk
DAVY, Emma F 3 1838 Norfolk
Piece: 793
Book/Folio: 5
Page: 3
Registration District: Great Yarmouth
Civil Parish: St Nicholas
Municipal Borough: Great Yarmouth
Address: Quay, St Nicholas, Regent, Great Yarmouth
County: Norfolk

Chris :)

1841 (other family, also on 1851)
DAVEY, Elijah M 30 1811 Norfolk
DAVEY, Phebe F 30 1811 Norfolk
DAVEY, Eliza F 10 1831 Norfolk
DAVEY, Elijah M 8 1833 Norfolk
DAVEY, Agley F 3 1838 Norfolk
Piece: 793
Book/Folio: 5
Page: 2
Registration District: Great Yarmouth
Civil Parish: St Nicholas
Municipal Borough: Great Yarmouth
Address: North Entrance, St Nicholas, North, Great Yarmouth
County: Norfolk

thank you one and all and yes thats elijah davys death reg thank you