Missing birth

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Member Since: February 2006 Posts: 13 Send Message	Michelle	Report	22 Aug 2013 20:20
Member Since: February 2006 Posts: 13 Send Message	Here is a my problem. I have received the marriage certificate for my great great grandmother. Her name is shown as Gentylia but where she signs her name she has spelt it Gentillia. (Married John Alfred Powell in Bromley) Her fathers name is William Cooper, a gas worker. She is aged 21 in 1892 and is residing in North Cray Kent. I cannot find her on a census prior to this and I cannot find her birth.....I would appreciate any help x :-S
Member Since: November 2003 Posts: 16,405 Send Message	patchem	Report	22 Aug 2013 20:30
	What were the names of the witnesses on the marriage certificate? Thanks Added: Have you got her death details?
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	22 Aug 2013 20:32
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	Michelle, it would be better to continue on your existing thread so all the info is in one place: http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1328888
Member Since: November 2003 Posts: 16,405 Send Message	patchem	Report	22 Aug 2013 20:42
	That thread looks very confused. Just for info, this is some of the initial mix-up? Gentilia Cooper Gender: Female Christening Date: 15 Nov 1874 Christening Place: Brighton, Sussex, England Father's Name: Samuel Cooper Mother's Name: Patience ? Gentilia Cooper Birth Date: 26 Oct 1874 Date of Registration: Sep 1970 Age at Death: 95 Registration District: Haringey Inferred County: Greater London Volume: 5b Page: 1812 I will stop, now.
Member Since: February 2006 Posts: 13 Send Message	Michelle	Report	22 Aug 2013 20:58
Member Since: February 2006 Posts: 13 Send Message	That thread is very confused. It is not the Gentelia who was born in Brighton. My Gentelia some times lists herself on the census as Jenty, or Genty. She couldn't read or write. She died on the 21st December 1915 in Fulham (51 Pearscroft Road). On her death certificate her name is listed as Genty. My gt gt grandfather was from a gipsy family. On one census she says that she was born in Eltham and another Anslow??!! On her daughters birth certificate her name is Gentelia Powell maiden name Cooper x
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 62,751 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	22 Aug 2013 22:28
	Odds are that her birth simply wasn't registered Was she actually recorded as being 21 on her marriage cert?
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 62,751 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	22 Aug 2013 22:31
	Copied from your other thread....................comment please. Puzzled This is 1891............where Gentella is shown as being 25................born c1866 Or was there more than one with the rather unusual name? 1891 census Person: COOPER, Gentella Address: Gipsies, Alexandra Road, Ashford LEE, Earlie Single M 20 1871 VIEW LEE, Walter Single M 19 1872 VIEW CASTLE, Thomas Single M 19 1872 VIEW MATHI, James Single M 18 1873 VIEW MATHI, Thomas Single M 17 1874 VIEW WHITE, Mary Married F 40 1851 VIEW JAMES, Mary Married F 40 1851 VIEW JAMES, Georgina Single F 30 1861 VIEW JAMES, Ellen Single F 30 1861 VIEW JAMES, Jane Single F 30 1861 VIEW BENT, Allan Single F 30 1861 VIEW BENT, Ellen Single F 30 1861 VIEW BENT, Mary A Single F 30 1861 VIEW BENT, Bessie Single F 30 1861 VIEW SAUNDERS, Beliah Single F 30 1861 VIEW LIGHT, Georgina Single F 30 1861 VIEW LIGHT, Ethel Single F 30 1861 VIEW COOPER, Patience Single F 25 1866 VIEW COOPER, Mary Single F 25 1866 VIEW COOPER, Gentella Single F 25 1866 VIEW COOPER, Eliza Single F 25 1866 VIEW COOPER, Patience Single F 30 1861 VIEW COOPER, Olive Single F 30 1861 VIEW HAMILTON, Elizabeth Single F 30 1861 VIEW HAMILTON JNR, Elizabeth Single F 20 1871 VIEW LEE, Portabella Single F 20 1871 VIEW LEE, Caroline Single F 20 1871 VIEW CASTLE, Rachael Single F 20 1871 VIEW PARKER, Louisa Single F 20 1871 VIEW MATTIS, Louisa Single F 20 1871 VIEW MATTIS, Shannie F 19 1872 VIEW MATTIS, Louisa Single F 17 1874 VIEW
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 62,751 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	22 Aug 2013 22:33
	Death Name: POWELL, Gentie egistration district: Fulham County: London Year of registration: 1915 Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at death:46 Volume no: 1A Page no: 359
Member Since: May 2006 Posts: 16,802 Send Message	Click ADD REPLY button - not this link!	Report	23 Aug 2013 06:34
	Reggie, That could be her in 1891. All the ages are multiples of 5, apart from the ones under 20. The enumerator makes a comment that he is unable to ascertain anything apart from the names. Rose
	Researching: I am not related to you and I'm not your husband's first wife!
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 17,958 Send Message	Chris Ho :)	Report	23 Aug 2013 08:30
	Marriages Sep 1892 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------------- COOPER Gentellia Bromley 2a 735 KINGSLAND George Bromley 2a 735 Powell Alfred Bromley 2a 735 Reeve Edith Bromley 2a 735 (google has below, from search, gentellia cooper) http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbhistory/html/NF2233810?thread=7713787 Chris :)
Member Since: April 2006 Posts: 2,822 Send Message	DazedConfused	Report	23 Aug 2013 08:33
	Anslow is probably Hounslow. And In my own research I was never able to find my g/grandfathers birth record, but was able to find his Baptism, so I knew he existed!! Then about 2 months ago I decided I would try again, this time I just entered the surname Simpson, the area, and the 2 years either side of his birth (belt & braces). I then cross referenced all the named births and deaths of children, discounted all the deaths of those also named and was left with 1 birth of a Male Simpson in the right year and quarter. Now I know my g/grandfather had been disabled from birth (gammy leg) so I decided to order this certificate and when it arrived lo and behold there he was. Right home address, rigth parents. Now I can only assume that they registered his birth a.s.a.p. without naming him, then almost immediately went and had him Baptised. So as I have said in the past with this Family History malarky it really does pay to 'think outside the box' (god knows I hate these expressions) as it can really be useful. :-D
	Researching: We are all of us in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars, Oscar Wilde New avatar, my dad age about 3/4 months, could have been worse, it could have been the awful nude on a rug!!
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 62,751 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	23 Aug 2013 09:04
	Rose That was why I posted the census on the other thread........where it was 'overlooked'.......................shall we say.
Member Since: May 2006 Posts: 16,802 Send Message	Click ADD REPLY button - not this link!	Report	23 Aug 2013 21:56
	Who were the witnesses to the marriage? Rose
	Researching: I am not related to you and I'm not your husband's first wife!

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