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New to this - what to do when trail goes cold?

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Alison Report 20 Mar 2014 11:35

Hello to everyone,

I have just started to try and research our family tree - along with my 9 year old son who is interested in finding out more about our family. However, I am finding it difficult to go past a certain point with some relatives - there just don't seem to be any records (that are listed on this site anyway). For example, I found my great grandmother, Emma Munding (or Mundin) born in Lincoln 1882, she is recorded on the 1901 and 1910 census and I have found her marriage. But I can't find anymore than that, birth or death or any clue regarding her parents. I have tried searching with a variation on the name and few years either side of the birth date but not come up with anything. Is there any way to go beyond that - I would really like to find her parents if possible.

Apologies if this is a really basic question for those of you more experienced at this

Thanks if anyone can help

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 Mar 2014 11:41

Does her marriage cert name a father?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 Mar 2014 11:50

Wonder if this is her
Name: Emily Mundin
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Mundin
Mother's name: Maria Mundin
Gender: Female
Where born: Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: St Martin
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address:8 St Martins Street


Condition as to marriage:


Employment status:

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Registration district: Lincoln
Sub-registration district: Lincoln Home
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2594
Folio: 108
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
John Mundin 48
Maria Mundin
Mary Mundin 18
Elen Mundin 12
Emily Mundin 9
John W Mundin 8
Charles Mundin 4

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2594; Folio: 108; Page: 33; GSU Roll: 6097704.


Alison Report 20 Mar 2014 11:52

Thanks for the reply. I have not seen the marriage certificate, just the listing on here - is there a way I can see the marriage certificate online?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 Mar 2014 11:53

The birth for that girl

Name: Emily Mundin
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1881
Registration district: Lincoln
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 500

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 Mar 2014 11:55

You would have to buy the cert to see its info

Is it this one ?

Name: Emma Munding
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1901
Registration district: Sheffield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume Number: 9c
Page Number: 872
Records on Page:
Amy Finch
Emma Munding
Joseph Middleton Pickering
George Henry Staniforth

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 Mar 2014 11:58

Looks like she married George Staniforth then

Posting for our ref
Name: Emma Staniforth
Age in 1911: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 34 Bilton Rd Attercliffe Sheffield
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Sheffield
Registration District Number: 510
Sub-registration district: Attercliffe
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Piece: 28017
Household Members:
Name Age
George Henry Staniforth 32
Emma Staniforth 29
Thomas Staniforth 7
John George Staniforth 1
Charles James Duggan 29

Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 28017.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 Mar 2014 12:00

Name: Emma Staniforth
Birth Date: 27 Apr 1880
Date of Registration: Dec 1970
Age at Death: 90
Registration district: Don Valley
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 2b
Page: 1286


Alison Report 20 Mar 2014 12:17

That's great - thanks very much. She was certainly married to George Henry Staniforth (the 1 year old John George is my grandfather, and 7 year old Thomas later lost a fortune gambling on the horses :-D ). Can I ask how you found the birth and death - was it just by a search on here? I see she is listed as Emily for the birth so perhaps I didn't look for that variation in first name. I am not sure about the death - I would have been 5 years old and I can't remember her or anyone talking about her - but not impossible it was her.

Thanks again, I have to go out now but will have a closer look at the new information later - it is really helpful


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 20 Mar 2014 12:27

If you wish to buy certificates, apart from the issuing Register Office, this is the only site you should use - each one will cost £9.25 inc P&P.
You'd need the details as given above from the gro index to order the MC or possible BC


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 20 Mar 2014 12:32

The transcripts posted on this thread by Shirley are from Ancestry. Like many of us regulars, we subscribed to that site well before GR started to hold their own versions.

You may be interested in
as an alternative source for BMD registrations. As it says on the tin, it's free!

This might help with your Sheffield Ancestors

Other free sites which could be useful


safc Report 20 Mar 2014 12:32


John Henry Mundin, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: John Henry Mundin
Birth Date:
Spouse's Name: Maria Clafford
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 16 Oct 1865
Event Place: Lincoln, Lincoln, England
Father's Name: George Mundin
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: Daniel Clafford
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Marital Status: Single
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M17299-1
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1542059
Reference ID: item 2 p 137-264


Porkie_Pie Report 20 Mar 2014 12:33

Try using freebmds,

If you explore the site you will see that is great for research

To see who married who before 1911 click on the page number of the returned results for possible spouses, usefull when you have a couple on the census and only have the females forename to go on as it gives you possibles to follow up on

as the name says, It's FREE

explore the site and you will find it does lots of things that no other site can, the list is far to long to post


Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 Mar 2014 12:50

They are living in Sheffield in 1911 so wonder about this death as Emily

Name: Emily Staniforth
Birth Date: abt 1880
Date of Registration: Mar 1953
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Sheffield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 2d
Page: 189

it looks promising for that birth as Emily

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 Mar 2014 12:53

again wonder what her name is on this birth cert

Name: John George Staniforth
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1910
Registration district: Sheffield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 696

It could be she called herself Emma although she was reg as Emily


jax Report 20 Mar 2014 13:52

If you have paid to use Genes records you will find the marriage records do not work before 1912


Alison Report 21 Mar 2014 10:49

Hi again, I just wanted to say thanks again for the help - it is all very useful. I have taken out a subscription to Ancestry which has been very useful so far - although often throwing up more questions than answers! Thanks again


KempinaPartyhat Report 21 Mar 2014 15:01

Welcome to our world ....This hobby always throws up question and please remember often we cant answer them .........

But we have a good go

I had a question that took 5 years to answer

Today I have a question which will take at least 10 years to answer

And sometimes they dont get answered aften being left for our children to find the answer to

Good Luck and we are always here!