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Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 26 Jun 2017 20:14

Interestingly Donald returned to his birthplace in 1913 as an Assistant Lecturer in Geology at Bristol Univ. At the outbreak of the Great War he enlisted as a Dispatch Rider and was commissioned into the RE in 1915. He returned to Bristol Univ. after WW1 1919.
He was appointed Lecturer in Geology at St Andrews a year later.In 1927 he was given the status of Reader and in 1936 appointed Chair....
(Taken from report in Citizen Newspaper Saturday 24 10 1936)

Mary

Mary Report 26 Jun 2017 19:22

Thomas Prosser Margrate 1844-1923 at 9,Melrose Place 1881/91/1901/11 until his death.

Maryb

Maddie

Maddie Report 26 Jun 2017 18:46


Name: Donald Esme Isaacs
Baptism Date: 19 Dec 1888
Baptism Place: Clifton, St John the Evangelist, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Donald Isaacs
Mother: Anne Isaacs

but no image to view

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 26 Jun 2017 18:29

AG- We're having thoughts along the same lines.

I only see the transcription of the baptism (19th December 1888) for Donald. Can anybody see the original? I was wondering if the address was the same as on the birth certificate.

Adverts in the newspapers indicate there were apartments/ rooms to rent at 9 Melrose Place around the time of Donald's birth.

also- wanted ads in Dec 1887 & Jan 1888 for ' Strong, clean, county girl, about 17"- apply Mrs Margrate 9 Melrose Place. Did the strong clean country girl get pregnant?

Hopefully I'll get time to look at this in more detail tomorrow.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Jun 2017 17:57

http://www.isle-of-wight-fhs.co.uk/index.php

(above can be useful IOW, if her below)

1851 ISAACSON Annie Elizabeth STOKES Calbourne Ca5/P69


Marriages Jun 1840 (>99%)
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ISAACSON John Frederick Tamworth 16 492
STOKES Rebecca Tamworth 16 492

Chris :)

Cambridge University Alumni, 1261-1900 (Ancestry)

Name: John Frederick. Isaacson
College: ST JOHN'S
Entered: Michs. 1821
Died: 19 Aug 1886

More Information:
Adm. pens. at ST JOHN'S, July 8, 1820. [2nd] s. of the Rev. John (1786), of Suffolk. [B. Oct. 15, 1801.] School, Norwich. Matric. Michs. 1821; Bell Scholar, 1822; B.A. (Senior Classic) 1825; 1st Chancellor's medal, 1825; M.A. 1828; B.D. 1835. Fellow and tutor. Lecturer (at that time designated ‘tutor’) at King's, 1829-39. Ord. deacon (Ely) May 29, 1825; priest, Nov. 5, 1826. R. of Freshwater, Isle of Wight, 1839-86. Hon. Canon of Winchester, 1874-86. Married, May 13, 1840, Rebecca, dau. of H. Stokes, of Tamworth. Died Aug. 19, 1886, at Freshwater. Father of the next two. (St John's Coll. Adm., IV. 327; Eagle, XIV. 236; Foster, Index Eccles.; Clergy List; Crockford, 1886; The Guardian, Aug. 25, 1886, which says, ‘He was…elected also Tutor (sic) of King's, probably the first time in which the latter post had been held by one who was not an old Etonian’; G. Mag., 1840, II. 89; J. Saltmarsh.)


Name: Isaacson . John Frederick.
College: ST JOHN'S
Entered: Michs. 1860
BORN: 1842
Died: 15 Mar 1885

More Information:
Adm. pens. at ST JOHN'S, June 13, 1860. [Elder] s. of the Rev. John Frederick (above) [and Rebecca]. B. [1842], at Freshwater, Isle of Wight. Bapt. Mar. 27, 1842. [School, Charterhouse.] Matric. Michs. 1860. Migrated to St Mary Hall, Oxford, whence he matric. Oct. 18, 1862, age 20. Lived at Linton, Cambs. Married and had issue. Died Mar. 15, 1885, at Shanghai. Brother of the next. (List of Carthusians; Al. Oxon.; The Guardian, June 3, 1885.)


Baptism
County Suffolk
Place Lidgate
Church name St Mary
Register type Transcript
Baptism date 15 Oct 1801
Birth date 13 Oct 1801
Person forename John Frederik
Person sex M
Father forename John
Father surname ISAACSON
Mother forename Catherine
Mother surname ISAACSON
Register note Rev John ISAACSON

https://www.freereg.org.uk/


Edits (various newspaper items, regarding Father)


http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C706530

(Lieutenant Donald Esme ISAAC-INNES. Royal Engineers.)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Jun 2017 17:26

Re Annie possibly being Donald's mother -

circumstantial "evidence"? - just random thoughts -
at some time between 1881 and 1891 the sisters moved from the Isle of Wight to Oxford. Possibly after their father's death in 1886, and they would then have been financially independent - as stated in censuses - and able to live where they wanted. Possibly when Donald was expected ??

He was born in Bristol - a long way from both IoW and Oxford, where nobody would know Annie ??

Maddie

Maddie Report 26 Jun 2017 17:18

perhaps issacs is a shortened version of issacson.
I wonder what made the girls move to oxfordshire, i presume after fathers death

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Jun 2017 17:12

Robert F was a brother of Annie, Catherine and the others.

The Alfred Isaacson, grandson, who is with the family in 1881, was born in Peru, and was the son of another brother, Henry, even though the Ancestry transcription says Catherine was his mother:

[Greyghost has already posted the FMP version, but here's Ancestry's]

Alfred H. Isaacson
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Alfred H. Isaacson
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relationship to Head: Grandson
Mother: Catherine S. Isaacson
Gender: Male
Where born: Peru Lima (British Subject), America
Civil Parish: Freshwater
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address: The Rectory
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Isle Of Wight
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1188
Folio: 49
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
John F. Isaacson 79
Mary R. Isaacson 31
Annie E. Isaacson 29
Catherine S. Isaacson 26
Alfred H. Isaacson 5
Bessie A. Parkhouse 24
Clara B. Farmer 18
Fanny Hills 16
Alice Hills 13

There are various travel records for Henry to and from Peru, Panama, Mollendo, etc, and Alfred's with him in at least one record. Henry's on the UK 1911 census, described as a "South American merchant".

greyghost

greyghost Report 26 Jun 2017 17:06

Her Father in 1861 with his parents and sisters - the ladies who adopted Donald

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Rectory, Stroud, Freshwater, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John F Isaacson Head Married Male 49 1812 Rector Of Freshwater Lidgate, Suffolk, England
Rebecca Isaacson Wife Married Female 45 1816 - Clifton Campville, Staffordshire, England Transcription
John F Isaacson Son Unmarried Male 19 1842 Pupil St Johns Coll Cambridge Hampshire, England
Thomas F Isaacson Son Unmarried Male 16 1845 Scholar Hampshire, England
Robert A Isaacson Son Unmarried Male 13 1848 Scholar Hampshire, England
Mary K Isaacson Daughter Unmarried Female 11 1850 Scholar Hampshire, England
Anna E Isaacson Daughter Unmarried Female 9 1852 Scholar Hampshire, England
Catherine Isaacson Daughter Unmarried Female 6 1855 Scholar Hampshire, England
George Baird ... Unmarried Male 18 1843 Private Pupil Russia Transcription
Mary A Jolliffe Servant Unmarried Female 27 1834 Cook Hampshire, England
Martha Powditch Servant Unmarried Female 22 1839 Parlourmaid Lynn, Norfolk, England
Emily L Page Servant Unmarried Female 23 1838 House Maid Southampton, Hampshire, England
Louisa ... Servant Unmarried Female 10 1851 Nurse Maid Southampton, Hampshire, England

greyghost

greyghost Report 26 Jun 2017 17:02

With her family in 1891

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bessborough Gardens, Westminster, St George Hanover Square, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert F Isaacson Head Married Male 43 1848 Clerk Public Record Office Hampshire, England
Hannah M Isaacson Wife Married Female 43 1848 - -
Gladys B Isaacson Daughter - Female 5 1886 - London, Middlesex, England
Sybyl M Isaacson Daughter - Female 3 1888 - London, Middlesex, England
Lilian G Isaacson Daughter - Female 0 1891 - London, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Smith Servant Widow Female 58 1833 Domestic Servant Cook Norfolk, England
Ada L Dodds Servant Single Female 21 1870 Domestic Nurse London, Middlesex, England
Sarah A Mann Servant Single Female 22 1869 Domestic Parlour Maid London, Middlesex, England

greyghost

greyghost Report 26 Jun 2017 17:01

Baptism of the lass he married.

Westminster Baptisms Transcription

First name(s) Lilian Grace
Last name Isaacson
Birth year 1890
Birth date 28 Jul 1890
Baptism year 1890
Baptism date 24 Aug 1890
Father's first name(s) Robert Fraser
Mother's first name(s) Hannah Maria
Parish Holy Trinity, Vauxhall Bridge Road
County Middlesex
Country England
Page 163
Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre
Record set Westminster Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms

Maddie

Maddie Report 26 Jun 2017 16:53

annie in isle of white 1881

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
The Rectory, Freshwater, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John F Isaacson Head Widower Male 79 1802 Rector Of Freshwater Lidgate, Suffolk, England
Transcription
Mary R Isaacson Daughter Single Female 31 1850 - Hampshire, England
Transcription
Annie E Isaacson Daughter Single Female 29 1852 - Hampshire, England
Transcription
Catherine S Isaacson Daughter Single Female 26 1855 - Hampshire, England
Transcription
Alfred H Isaacson Grand Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar United States
Transcription
Bessie A Parkhouse Servant Single Female 24 1857 Ladys Maid Domestic Servant Littleham, Devon, England
Transcription
Clara B Farmer Servant Single Female 18 1863 Parlor Maid Domestic Servant Hampshire, England
Transcription
Fanny Hills Servant Single Female 16 1865 Housemaid Domestic Servt Hampshire, England
Transcription
Alice Hills Servant Single Female 13 1868 Nursemaid Domestic Servt Hampshire, England

father died 1886

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Jun 2017 16:49

Don't know what truth there is in this:

"Born Donald Esme Isaacs, little is known of his life, but he appears to be a Jew of Scottish descent. "

http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Donald_Esme_Innes

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 26 Jun 2017 16:45

I wonder if Annie Isaacson was actually his mother. I've not done any digging yet, but wonder is the father was Donald Stewart?

Annie's late father was a Reverend. The family seemed well known, well off, and connected. Having an 'adopted' child wouldn't have damaged her social status- an illegitimate child would have been a little embarrassing within her social circle and family.

Maddie

Maddie Report 26 Jun 2017 16:42

an Innes connection, probably donald

1901

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
30, Warnborough Road, Oxford, Oxford St Giles, Headington, Oxfordshire,
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Annie E Isaacson Head Single Female 49 1852 Living On Own Means Freshwater, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England
Transcription
Mary R Isaacson Sister Single Female 51 1850 Living On Own Means Freshwater, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England
Transcription
Catherine S Isaacson Sister Single Female 46 1855 Living On Own Means Freshwater, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England
Transcription
Leonard E Innes Adopted Son Single Male 12 1889 - Clifton, Gloucestershire, England --------------------------------------------------------
Transcription
Kate Pearman Servant Single Female 19 1882 - Kirtlington, Oxfordshire, England
Transcription
Fanny Urry Servant Single Female 14 1887 - Freshwater, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Jun 2017 16:40

In 1901 he's listed as Leonard, without the Isaacs. Doesn't make any difference, I know - clearly just a mistake by the census clerk:

Leonard E Innes
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Leonard E Innes
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Adopted Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Clifton, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: St Giles
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip and St James
Town: Oxford
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Headington
Sub-registration district: St Clement
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1381
Folio: 101
Page Number: 13
Household schedule number: 68
Household Members:
Name Age
Annie E Isaacson 49
Mary R Isaacson 51
Catherine S Isaacson 46
Leonard E Innes 12
Kate Pearman 19
Fanny Urry 14

Maddie

Maddie Report 26 Jun 2017 16:32

Mr Donald Esme Innes

in the Fife, Scotland, Cupar Library Newspaper Index Cards, 1833-19

Name: Mr Donald Esme Innes
Publication: Courier & Advertiser, General Index
Publication Date: 24 Apr 1936
appointed to the chair of geology
University Court of St Andrews

not much help

Donald Esme Innes
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Prof Donald Esme Innes FRSE MC was a 20th century Scottish geologist.
Life

Born Donald Esme Isaacs on 22nd November 1888 to Donald Isaacs and Anne Isaacs (formerly Stewart) in Clifton, Bristol. He was bought up by Annie and Catherine Isaacson in Oxford from a very early age. He went to Repton and studied Sciences at Oxford University and graduated in 1911 with 1st class honours, specialising in Geology. He was awarded the Burden Coutts scholarship for post-graduate work and he later became Professor of Geology at St Andrews University.

He won the Military Cross in the First World War.

He gained his hockey blue while a student at Oxford and played for St Andrews university from 1920 to 1924. He played for Scotland from 1922 to 1924 and captained the side in 1923 and 1924.

In June 1924 he changed his name by Deed poll to Donald Esme Innes. At this time he was living at 23 Lathbury Road in Oxford.[1]

In 1925 he married Lilian Grace Isaacson, and they had one son, Donald John, born in 1932.

In 1936 he was elected a Fellow of the Royal Society of Edinburgh. His proposers were Thomas James Jehu, Sir D’Arcy Wentworth Thompson, Robert Campbell and Robert Meldrum Craig. . He resigned from the Society in 1953.[2]

Maddie

Maddie Report 26 Jun 2017 16:11


British Army Service Records Transcription

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First name(s) Donald Esme
Last name Isaac-Innes
Rank Lieutenant
Regiment Royal Engineers
Year 1914-21
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference WO 374/36401
Series WO 374
Series description Wo 374 - Officers' Services, First World War, Personal Files
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Service Records
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

The National Archives

Donald

Donald Report 26 Jun 2017 14:10

Occupation was Gentleman and address was 9 Melrose Place, Clifton. The Isaacs must have been renting as the property was owned by the same people in the 1881 and 1891 census and there is no mention of any Isaacs/Stewart on either

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 26 Jun 2017 13:08

What was the occupation of father and address on the birth certificate?